pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD | Wow... Bush is Screwed Now!
There goes his re-election.
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Syian
join:2007-12-20
Gwinn, MI
 ·Charter Pipeline
| ...unless corporate america wants the monkey for a few more years. then they'll just manage to create some reason for him to stay in power as a de facto dictator until they decide for him to "be put to rest"....
thank god america has enough intelligent people to preven....what am i saying? to quote bender, "We're Boned". |
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mglunt
join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA | reply to pnh102
We need taxpayer funded broadband. That way, the true cost to us all is hidden and we all think we'll have cheap broadband just like the other countries (Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by mglunt  :(Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). Go higher, you're being generous 
Anyway, I get a kick out of these "objectives:"
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1. The creation of an organized national broadband strategy with measurable benchmarks.
Why is this needed? This group already knows that our broadband "sucks."
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2. The development of policies that ease the transition from analog to digital.
Analog to digital what? Do these clowns even know what they are talking about?
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3. A plan for closing the digital divide and bringing broadband to those who can most benefit.
What digital divide? We have people on welfare living in furnished apartments with hardwood floors and 60" TVs already.
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ARGONAUT
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join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN | reply to mglunt
That's right, we're all working for a company called The US Government not the other way.  |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| The market has all the answers...
The ONLY things that have happened over the past 8 years is that the major telephone and cable companies have tightened their grip on the LAST MILE infrastructure with a dirty dozen major companies (4 telco, 8 cableco) taking 95-99% of the pie. The rest will die the tiny paper cuts of death sooner or later! Inclusive of this are ALL major and minor VOIP companies(feeling the STING yet vonage?) |
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texans20
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Texas!
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| said by tmc8080 :The ONLY things that have happened over the past 8 years is that the major telephone and cable companies have tightened their grip on the LAST MILE infrastructure with a dirty dozen major companies (4 telco, 8 cableco) taking 95-99% of the pie. The rest will die the tiny paper cuts of death sooner or later! Inclusive of this are ALL major and minor VOIP companies(feeling the STING yet vonage?) They built the networks, they get to keep the fruit of their labor. Over the past many years our local Time Warner has invested millions of dollars to upgrade the system. I don't really care for Time Warner, but why in the hell should the government force them to share what they did?
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by texans20 :I don't really care for Time Warner, but why in the hell should the government force them to share what they did? Because you need to think of the children!
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firephoto
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join:2003-03-18
 ·Verizon west (ex G..
| reply to mglunt
Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now!
To be like those poor impoverished socialists that wear nice clothes and own nice houses and drive nice cars. That would be a terrible thing to go along with broadband.
I would think that the average of 30% or so federal income tax along with various state sales taxes plus those property taxes that are annoying puts us up pretty high too but I guess that's not your point. Socialism = high taxes so we are good, they are evil right? |
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firephoto
KDE
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Re: The market has all the answers...
said by texans20 :They built the networks, they get to keep the fruit of their labor. Over the past many years our local Time Warner has invested millions of dollars to upgrade the system. I don't really care for Time Warner, but why in the hell should the government force them to share what they did? So why should government built networks that cost millions of dollars be required to share what they have or even give away useage to private companies rather than individuals?
The street goes both ways you know... |
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Syian
join:2007-12-20
Gwinn, MI
·Charter Pipeline
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Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now!
ha... ya know, as much as i was raised to distrust governments in general, i think that the design/building/implementation of a nationwide government funded fiber optic infastructure would actually do this country a lot of good. Here's Why.
1) far. far. less. waiting for buildout.
2) even the playing field a bit as far as service providing goes, as EVERY ISP would have to buy their time wholesale from the government.
yeah. it'll never happen, of course, but that's part of the reason that so many other countries have "cheap" broadband. tho, the 40-50% tax rate statement seems a bit high to me, i'd place it closer to 30-40%... though, on top of that, the american 40 hour workweek is considered "insane" by most of the rest of the world, so go figure.
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metalhawk
join:2007-02-06
Nepean, ON
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said by pnh102 :There goes his re-election. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but Bush cannot be re-elected anyway. A president can't seek more than 2 consecutive terms. I don't live in the USA, but I'm pretty sure that's what I have heard many times before. |
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texans20
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Re: The market has all the answers...
said by firephoto :said by texans20 :They built the networks, they get to keep the fruit of their labor. Over the past many years our local Time Warner has invested millions of dollars to upgrade the system. I don't really care for Time Warner, but why in the hell should the government force them to share what they did? So why should government built networks that cost millions of dollars be required to share what they have or even give away useage to private companies rather than individuals? The street goes both ways you know... What? What networks have the government built? I sure didn't see the Federal Cable and Fiber Comission digging up holes in my neighborhood several years ago laying brand new cable. I did see Time Warner contractors though.
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inturnaround
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Newark, DE
clubs: | Alliteration
You couldn't make that alliteration continue for one more word? How about "Benton Berates Bush on Broadband Benchmarks"?
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special13
join:2000-08-17
Brooklyn, NY | The key
The key to the broadband strategy is a smarter consumer. Look at the Japanese, Koreans and Europeans. They know more and demand more. Most Americans dont know the difference btw Fiber optic, Coaxil Cable, GSM and CDMA. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| reply to mglunt
Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now!
said by mglunt :(Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). Gee, how much do you pay here in the United States between State and Federal income taxes, local property taxes and sales taxes? It seems that here in New York we have to work at least half a year to pay all the taxes we owe and we do not get all the benefits the "socialist" countries get. |
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absmith
join:2005-11-19
Nampa, ID
·CableOne
| Here is something I think should be law... Your opinion?
Ok, here is a law that I think would help things out. I actually think this should have kicked in in the early 90's.
Every single time any service is run to a house, there should be a law that a 12-pair run of fiber be laid along side the service. Even if it is expected that the run may never be used, it should be put in.
So, for example.. the cable company installs into a new house - they run their standard coax, but along side they put in a run of fiber. Cable company runs a line to repair what you chopped up installing your sprinkler line? They put in coax/fiber. Gas company putting in a hose from the curb? The hose has the 12 pair fiber built in.
All new homes and neighborhoods have a fiber network. If you get phone, cable, gas, water, sewer, electrical service put in - you get fiber too.
The country develops future micro-TBM systems for retro-fitting fiber runs to a house.
The nation sits down and develops ISO standards for how every install is done, and a insanely fast mesh and load balance enabled router/switch/head end system is developed that will be required to be used by all the vendors and property owners. Via mass production, it could have a cost as low as $30. Advanced plastic fiber would also be used to keep the costs low. Each fiber pair would utilize cheap mass produced 100GbE (gigabit ethernet) 32nm chipsets as the communication protocol. By default, each home would mesh interconnect to 2 peers offering failover and redundancy.
In summary, we basically make it a national effort to eventually have 9x% percent of homes fiber interconnected by 2030.
Sorry I scribbled down this idea - I know it has a crazy tone and flaws.. but you get my drift. There is no time like now to start ensuring that we have the bandwidth needed in the future. |
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sokhapkin
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Somerset, NJ
| reply to mglunt
Re: Wow... Bush is Screwed Now!
said by mglunt :(Shhh, don't tell anyone they are socialist countries with 40-50+% tax rates). Which countries you're talking about? USSR had (and Russia still has) flat tax rate of 13%. |
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benc
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Glen Carbon, IL
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said by metalhawk :said by pnh102 :There goes his re-election. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but Bush cannot be re-elected anyway. A president can't seek more than 2 consecutive terms. I don't live in the USA, but I'm pretty sure that's what I have heard many times before. I do live in the U.S., and you are correct. The maximum is two 4-year terms and 10 years. Why the 10 years? Well, if something happens to the president the vice president takes over the remainder of the term. If there's fewer than two years left, that vice president can still have two terms, theoretically.
Funny thing is, back in the day it was the Republicans who pushed for that law, in response to FDR, who got elected four times and died in office during his fourth term. Truman took over, though since three years remained in that term, Truman could only be elected once, since a second time meant 11 years, which would violate the new law. |
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DemonChicken
join:2006-10-15
Boon, MI | reply to absmith
Re: Here is something I think should be law... Your opinion?
Yay fiber for me in 30 years.
I'm not exactly educated on anything on this site, so don't value my opinion. |
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