pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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|  Pyrrhic Defeat
For most people, spam has made email completely useless as a means of communication. Businesses have to invest significant amounts of money into blocking spam just so that email can function at all. I won't be surprised if many people simply stop using email altogether because of the volume of spam.
For me, it is about 99% of my personal email. I'm getting ready to just shut off the one email account altogether.
The "War on spam" is lost.
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| The war on spam is lost because it's being fought improperly. We aren't following the money and we aren't going after the head companies that are the end of the money train.
Ralsky doesn't make money sending spam for Norton Antivirus, Norton does. That's who we should be going after.
Just like every "War on X" the U.S. has waged, it will be a losing fight because we'll always do it wrong.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by Wills  :The war on spam is lost because it's being fought improperly. Aside from shooting people who spam as well as people who buy spamvertised products and services, what else can we do?
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Mactron
el camino Real
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join:2001-12-16
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| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :For me, it is about 99% of my personal email. I'm getting ready to just shut off the one email account altogether. The "War on spam" is lost. Must be a Yahoo e-mail account... 
Mine is sure worthless. 
Hope they Nail this guys and all connected to, and like him. 
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jvanbrecht
join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD
| reply to pnh102
I run my own mail, and while I agree, 99% of what I get is spam, I atleast know where they are getting my email addresses from. ps, I also used to work IT Security (which included spam and abuse) for UUNET (ages ago) and Roadrunner, so I understand the costs involved with dealing with the stuff. |
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Doctor Four
My other vehicle is a TARDIS
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Dallas, TX | Now if only they could get Leo Kuvayev
Otherwise known as Bad Cow.
But Ralsky is a good start. I hope they throw the book
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| reply to pnh102
Re: Pyrrhic Defeat
Like I said, go after the companies that are the end of the money train.
Aside from phising, most spam is trying to sell you a product. Some company is benefitting from that and is the root cause of that.
THESE are the people we should be levying multimillion dollar fines and jail time at. Not people like Ralsky. Stop the companies doing this and there is no need for people like Ralsky.
Kill the head and the body dies.
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mindfrost82
join:2003-04-19
Cortland, IL
| reply to Wills
Spam and product emails are two different things IMO.
With your example of Norton, if an email comes from a company like that, there is usually a legit link to unsubscribe from the mailing list.
Before switching to Google Apps, I ran my company's email server and it was a full time job blocking spam. IMO, the worst spam (which makes up the majority of it), are emails like these stock emails, emails about replica watches, emails that don't make any sense, porn emails, etc.
If an email comes from a large company, they usually provide a way out of their mailing list, which usually works. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to Mactron
said by Mactron :Must be a Yahoo e-mail account... Unfortunately this is a private email account with my own personal domain. My hosting company picks up about 90% of the spam and marks it as such. Maybe I can bug them to improve their filter. I'd rather they delete the spam before I have to deal with it.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| reply to Wills
said by Wills :Like I said, go after the companies that are the end of the money train. Perhaps I am not understanding you. Are you suggesting that companies which make commercially available anti-spam solutions are part of the problem? Granted... I might need more coffee.
said by Wills :THESE are the people we should be levying multimillion dollar fines and jail time at. Not people like Ralsky. Stop the companies doing this and there is no need for people like Ralsky. Ralsky runs a huge business that makes its money by sending spam. He deserves to be taken down.
said by Wills :Kill the head and the body dies. Unfortunately, even if Ralksy is convicted and imprisoned, other spammers will quickly fill the void. I still believe that the volume of spam continues to increase because more people buy products and services that are spamvertised. Until everyone stops buying such products and services, we will never see an appreciable decrease in spam.
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N10Cities
SILENCE I Keel You
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Roland, OK
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1 edit | Wills is saying go after the makers of the product that the spam is ADVERTISING.... |
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
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join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Site5.com
 ·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast
| reply to Wills
said by Wills :The war on spam is lost because it's being fought improperly. We aren't following the money and we aren't going after the head companies that are the end of the money train. Ralsky doesn't make money sending spam for Norton Antivirus, Norton does. That's who we should be going after. Just like every "War on X" the U.S. has waged, it will be a losing fight because we'll always do it wrong. Good luck making that work. I can see a bunch of Microsoft haters spamming advertisements from some Chinese server just to get Microsoft fined. The problem here is the email system itself. It hasn't changed in years and is flawed. A new system must be developed and implemented. Whatever this new system is, it will have to be more restrictive. |
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pnh102
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·Comcast
| reply to N10Cities
said by N10Cities :Wills is saying go after the makers of the product that the spam is ADVERTISING.... I told you I need more coffee!
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MrMaster
What If
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Austin, TX
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| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :For most people, spam has made email completely useless as a means of communication. Businesses have to invest significant amounts of money into blocking spam just so that email can function at all. I won't be surprised if many people simply stop using email altogether because of the volume of spam. For me, it is about 99% of my personal email. I'm getting ready to just shut off the one email account altogether. The "War on spam" is lost. Since switching to gmail a few years ago I have had virtually no problems with spam. Even my rarely used hotmail account shows a significant drop in spam messages. |
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GTaylor
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Frisco, TX
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| reply to Doctor Four
Re: Now if only they could get Leo Kuvayev
said by Doctor Four :Otherwise known as Bad Cow. But Ralsky is a good start. I hope they throw the book at him. I agree, so long as guys like Leo and the Alexs run free spam will be a problem. But it is nice to see Ralsky finally get his comeuppance |
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wruckman
Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | Good Riddance
I love to see spammers get busted. Getting rich off spreading disease and annoyance. Might as well lock him up with the owner of Sears! |
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Chiyo
Save Me Konata-Chan
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join:2003-02-20
Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to Doctor Four
Re: Now if only they could get Leo Kuvayev
said by Doctor Four :Otherwise known as Bad Cow. But Ralsky is a good start. I hope they throw the book at him. A book isn't good enough, several books.... Plus a few bricks! |
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deadzoned
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join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA
·Cox HSI
| Spam, yuck.
I hate spam myself. I use MailWasher Pro and it is pretty effective in catching most of it. Otherwise, I just use a bunch of throw away e-mail accounts from yahoo, gmail, or hotmail.
Seems like an impossible thing to stop though. I guess prosecuting this guy sends some sort of message. It certainly does nothing to curb spam though.  |
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rmdir
join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL
| reply to Nightfall
Re: Pyrrhic Defeat
That's why if I work for Kapersky I'll be sending spam for Norton AV. It's much easier to fatally wound the competition that to make a better product. Plus when I get unsolicited e-mail (like the Circuit City cr** they send in addition to my monthly e-mailed bill) I'll make it a point to patronize their competitor to show my disapproval. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online
| reply to mindfrost82
said by mindfrost82 :Before switching to Google Apps, I ran my company's email server and it was a full time job blocking spam. I still run my firms server and yes it is a pain. I was also running my own private email server to host my own personal domains and that too was becoming a full-time job. I finally shifted my MX records to a paid forwarding service that provides SPAM filtering. That service then forwards on to my GMail account that provides another layer of SPAM filtering. Since doing that, managing my personal email has become much easier. Corporate is still annoying but it is manageable, especially with a DeepSix anti-SPAM box in front of it all.
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