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MSN is just hoping people are dumb enough to pay for a free service that some don't even want if it is free.
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Cheyenne, WY | I feel like..... an AOL junkie. Yes I have MSN Premium, and the main reason why I have it is for the McAfee security software.
other then that I just don't use any of the services. Firefox is my default browser and iGoogle is my home page. I feel so, so, guilty MSN is like dope........  
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 | | | Re: I feel like..... said by Transmaster:an AOL junkie. Yes I have MSN Premium, and the main reason why I have it is for the McAfee security software. other then that I just don't use any of the services. Firefox is my default browser and iGoogle is my home page. I feel so, so, guilty MSN is like dope........ Please tell me you're kidding. MS normally barters a FAR better Security suite from CA for free for preferred MS customers.
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1 edit | Re: Hardly surprising I've been trying to get my girlfriend off MSN, but she doesn't want to. Partly because her brother pays the bill and has for as long as she can remember, so it doesn't hit her pocket directly, and thus no responsibility.
It's what she's used to, but it's not my cup of tea. Especially @ $120/yr. I've offered to give her a choice of whatever name she wants at my domain, IMAP/POP, but wants to stick with MSN.
Edit: left out a word. 
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| it is a bizzaro offering I honestly don't know how they get away with it.
On a side note, I like using the MSN Explorer for my kid, but you can't get that software to install anymore without signing up for a premium plan.
It is so strange that the free Windows Live services compete and beat this package in every way. | |
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Obviously Microsoft isn't doing much to inform customers that free alternatives are now available And why should they? They are in business to make money. Let BBR and others point out the alternatives. | |
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| Re: Micro$oft Wait! They give me frustration for free!
(MS Patches, Security fixes, hot patches, Vista drivers,...)
But yes, I would be paying M$ $50/yr for LIVE account on Xbox. And so today, having received my 3rd and final RRoD unit back, which BTW sounds like a vacuum cleaner, I cancelled my subscription and gaming on the 360.
Microsoft, I will not be stressed by your crappy hardware again. | |
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1 edit | Re: Micro$oft If you paid $50 a yr for XBL then you overpaid. The 12+1 cards can be found online for less than $35. | |
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| | | said by wruckman:Microsoft gives nothing for free. Maybe you didn't read the article. The whole point of the BBR news item was that they DO give away "for free" all the things they are also charging for. So I guess you are WRONG!
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kudos:2 | Re: Micro$oft Only "free" in the strict sense that you don't pay them money directly. | |
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| Re: Micro$oft said by quatrix:Only "free" in the strict sense that you don't pay them money directly. Psst. That is typically what "free" means. | |
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| said by wruckman:Microsoft gives nothing for free. MS gives you ANYTHING you want for free...............if you don't waste your time sitting around in you parents garage whining about 'EVIL' Microsoft is while trying to figure out how to use your worthless iPhone.
I have over $100,000 in software MS has given me............ mostly for not joining in with all you proverbial whiners. | |
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Northwood, OH | Re: Micro$oft You are full of it. First off, I do not live parents as I am a 30 year old network administrator with my own family. Second, I would NEVER by a iphone. Microsoft gives nothing for free. Why do you think hee is one of the wealthiest people on the face of the planet? Why do you think they sue everyone in site? Because they want their money. And they try to put other businesses out of business by buying patents and then trying to sue everyone for infindgement. They place spyware inside your operating system. They place hidden DOD encryption keys so they can easily break your encrption. They place DRM on everything. FOR MONEY! They are crooks in every sense of the word. I use linux.
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Northwood, OH | Re: Micro$oft And you just had your information sold to third parties as well. Cost you nothing? Everything has a cost. You have to look beyond your simplistic understanding of currency. | |
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1 edit | Re: Micro$oft said by wruckman:And you just had your information sold to third parties as well. Cost you nothing? Everything has a cost. You have to look beyond your simplistic understanding of currency. Correction, I had a temp email and college dorm address sold to third party. Nothing else was real.
Simplistic understanding of currency???
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Yet their continue to bitch about how much they're paying each month for internet access.
So it's not MSN's fault, it's the end user.
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Btw.. if anybody wants to try parental control software, i have been using k9webprotection. It is free for home use. | |
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| If people want to pay, why stop them? Some people believe "you get what you pay for". It's a placebo effect, they just have to spend something to be satisfied.
One benefit (maybe?) is that it gives leverage in customer service. They can say "if you don't fix it, I'll take my business elsewhere". I don't think there's a tech support number for GMail. Of course, with free services you can be simultaneously signed up for as many as you want, and stick with the one you like best. But, for some people... they don't like being in control of technology, or responsible for fixing it. | |
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| I think that there is more to this than just "greed" ...although there is that aspect as well!
Part of this has been an ongoing issue for as long as on-line services have been around, and that is the "money" end of it.
For example, back years ago, I actually paid to "own" a copy of Netscape...only to find out that I could have downloaded the exact same version, for free! Believe me, I was major hacked of at the time! Of course, now, nobody pays for a browser, right? Well sports fans, it was not always that way. And oh, BTW, Microsoft is the reason that browsers are now free...so b_tch at them as you will, but that's a fact.
The same things apply to on-line services. At one time, AOL was just another separate on-line service (not Internet based), like Compu Serve used to be. Used to pay for access literally by the minute! As the Internet developed into a publicly accessible entity, of course all that changed. All kinds of "players" came and went, all kinds of pricing schemes and levels of "service" did as well! In fact, plain and simple, the real "death" of AOL was the ascension of broadband...otherwise, they would be still raking in $21.95 a month from millions upon millions of subscribers!
As the technology changes, and the business model changes as well, there never is universal "instantaneous" change, it takes awhile for old stuff to "wind down" and new paradigms to emerge...the trick is to be observant, and flexible enough to see the new (often less expensive), changes as they come about. Along that line, I too have an old friend who it took both me and his daughter many months to quit paying for AOL dial up when he is now paying no more for basic DSL service...
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| | | Re: I think that there is more to this than just "greed" Your dead right about MS making browsers free. Same with many little programs. | |
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join:2002-09-29
Tallmadge, OH | I'll top that. Apple still wants $700 to install 4GB of memory in a new MacBook Pro, even though it's $119 on Crucial.
In other news, companies make money because people don't research what they're buying. Film at 11. | |
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| | | Re: I'll top that. said by claco:Apple still wants $700 to install 4GB of memory in a new MacBook Pro, even though it's $119 on Crucial. I've noticed that as well. I think their claim is that they have better heatsinks... whatever. Still the best racket I've seen. | |
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join:2007-07-18
San Luis Obispo, CA | MSN Premium shutting down I read somewhere else a message from an MSN Premium user who get a message from MSN that the "MSN Premium" service is going away in the next few months. It advised moving to Windows Live OneCare to get partial replacement functionality. OneCare is cheaper.
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join:2007-07-18
San Luis Obispo, CA | Re: MSN Premium shutting down I just looked at the message I was referring to and it actually said:
"I received an email recently stating that the parental controls from MSN Premium is going away and that I need to transfer the settings to OneCare Family Safety."
So my first post was wrong, only parental controls is going away.
Also for $10 per year you can get Windows Live Hotmail Plus which will get rid of all of the ads and prevent your hotmail account from expiring if you don't check it regularly. This saves $110. | |
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| | MSN Premium features are not free I don't know how they can compare windows defender to webroot spysweeper, mcafee firewall to windows firewall, and windows live scan to mcafee antivirus. If you relied on windows live for security, you would easily get viruses and spyware installed. Windows live academic search is not equal to encarta and windows live picture gallery does not have many common functions digital imaging 2006 has.
MSN premium is a lot better than the "free" offerings. You get no ads in your email, no ads on your spaces, and no ads in msn messenger. You do get a great browswer in MSN premium, with lots of services and software integrated, a and you do get a lot of security software that protects the pc, not just the web browser. You also gets a favorites folder that synchronizes, so whatever pc you use, you always have the same favorites. Yes, MSN premium runs slow and consumes lots of resouces, but windows live whatever doesn't compare to what MSN Premium offers. | |
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| | Buggy I use MSN Premium... It comes with my Verizon. Like another poster said, I use it mainly for the McAfee Security. Another feature I like is the ability to have all my email delivered to the same place. That is convenient.But using McAfee and MSN Premium seems to slow my computer down so much I wonder if it's worth having either. I already removed all McAfee products to speed things up. It also seems like the MSN Software disables certain browser features that I find useful. I can do without it and I would for sure, if I had to pay extra for it. I;m sure there are better solutions available. | |
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join:2001-11-13
Seattle, WA | Is there a free equivalent to Onecare? Is there a free equivalent to Onecare?
I have Vista64, thanks. | |
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Sammamish, WA | windows live is free it consists of email, calendar, msn, and online storage. all for free. whatelse you need? | |
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