tenpin784
I Went To The Dark Side?
join:2001-03-30
New Durham, NH
| hmm
I must have missed that area that already has free wifi when I was lost in San Fransisco last month.
I definitely could have benefited, lol
I'll take a free one to setup free wifi where I live.....doubt anyone would hop on it tho.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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2 edits |  Giving away WiFi to neighbors breaks TOS for most ISPs
I don't imagine this will fly with most(not all) ISPs. I expect that one or more ISPs will make a point of disconnecting a number of users and publicizing that fact to scare off the majority of users from taking part.
Or they can go to bill-by-byte. If you want to let freeloaders use your connection, then you can pay thru the nose for being generous.
I support the 2nd option as being more fair and seeing how generous people are when it is THEIR money instead of the ISPs that is being contributed to free WiFi.
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL
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| Not fair to ISPs
I don't normally side with large corporations, but I see where this is going. I don't blame ISPs for getting upset about this (and they will be). It doesn't seem right to charge a single dwelling consumer pricing only to have them provide access for multiple addresses. |
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
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join:2001-03-31
Brentwood, CA | Bleh.
Who gives a shit about ISPs. All they do is take your money and give you a 5th of what you paid for.
I hope people set these up in their homes. |
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
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join:2001-03-31
Brentwood, CA
·Covad Communications
·SONIC.NET
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3 edits | Re: Bleh.
No problem. 
BTW my ISP would LOVE for me to set this unit up in my home.
In fact my ISP is selling the same exact unit!
I see cable CO's complaining about this.
»public.meraki.com/network/Sonic.netWiFi |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
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join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
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| said by guhuna  :No problem. BTW my ISP would LOVE for me to set this unit up in my home. In fact my ISP is selling the same exact unit! I see cable CO's complaining about this. » public.meraki.com/network/Sonic.netWiFi We're doing this in partnership with our customers - sharing the cost of the hardware, and any revenue from the Wi-Fi network.
The upside is that we know the IPs that the hardware is on, and can shield our customers when subpoenas come our way. We know it's Wi-Fi use (and the MAC address of the "bad" user), so law enforcement can be pointed the right direction.
Also, by sharing any revenue, we cover the ISP costs (bandwidth and ATM capacity), while also compensating the customer for hosting it.
What Meraki's "Free the Net" initiative is doing is different. There is no partnership with the provider and no revenue share to the customer/host either. I'm not sure that's sustainable.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
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| reply to guhuna
said by guhuna :Who gives a shit about ISPs. All they do is take your money and give you a 5th of what you paid for. I hope people set these up in their homes. And I hope the ISPs disconnect their service if they do.
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grumpy3b
join:2001-12-11
Lompoc, CA
·DSL EXTREME
·Millenicom
| Is this even legal to share your ISP connection?
Is this even allowed my most, if not all, end user agreements with the various ISP's? Most, if not all, of those I have read explicitly prohibit the sharing of your connection with anyone beyond the location it is installed. And they also state something to the effect that one cannot act as a "hotspot" for the neighborhood.
I am curious how this could even be legal. At best it would seem an act of large scale civil disobedience. |
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Done_Posting
Shoot to kill
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Bleh.
said by TKJunkMail :And I hope the ISPs disconnect their service if they do. I second that.
- Tate
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Done_Posting
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| I love these units
It's a funny coincidence that these guys made the front page of DSLR today (again)... I just placed an order with them this morning! 
- Tate
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Done_Posting
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
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Re: Is this even legal to share your ISP connection?
said by grumpy3b :Is this even allowed my most, if not all, end user agreements with the various ISP's? Most, if not all, of those I have read explicitly prohibit the sharing of your connection with anyone beyond the location it is installed. And they also state something to the effect that one cannot act as a "hotspot" for the neighborhood. I am curious how this could even be legal. At best it would seem an act of large scale civil disobedience. You are correct; most residential (and even business class) broadband specifically prohibits setting up a hotspot. The only exceptions I've seen are some DSL providers such as Speakeasy. Further, there are things such as CALEA compliance to take into consideration. I wouldn't care about pissing off my ISP nearly as much as I'd worry about pissing off the government.
- Tate
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
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Re: Giving away WiFi to neighbors breaks TOS for most ISPs
It would be difficult to enforce the proposed federal legislation that was circulating the news recently. The one which would fine joe6pack with open access points 150k for potentially allowing child porn d/l porn and whatever else the gov't doesn't like.
People already pay for their internet connection. Billing-by-the-byte would either kill the internet, or seriously castrate it. That would be a very stupid model at this point. |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
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Re: Not fair to ISPs
You've got a good point, but there is the other side of the issue. People pay for a specific speed tier that they can use any way they see fit. I used to provide a free wireless AP limited to 56k. I thought it would be nice for an emergency. If someone wanted to reserve a room online, or move some money around their bank accounts. Maybe even find better direction online. Stuff like that. I stopped only because I moved and there was already a free wireless AP in the area provided by the local coffe shop. Sometimes it's good to be nice. |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Bleh.
said by TKJunkMail :said by guhuna :Who gives a shit about ISPs. All they do is take your money and give you a 5th of what you paid for. I hope people set these up in their homes. And I hope the ISPs disconnect their service if they do. You're being true to form! Happy New Year! |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA | reply to Done_Posting
Re: Is this even legal to share your ISP connection?
Yes, because we should be afraid of our government. 8-| |
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Done_Posting
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| said by jjeffeory :Yes, because we should be afraid of our government. 8-| We live in screwed up times. That's why I'm voting for Ron Paul -- he's obviously a longshot, but if we can get him into office I'm hopeful he'll be able to pull us out of the "Surveillance State" direction that we're inching towards.
Just my $.02 worth. 
- Tate
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jlsjrf29
join:2002-05-12
San Jose, CA
| there lack support when needed
I purchased a handful of meraki products and I can speak first hand...the product doesnt live up to the standards they claim. They pretty much have control of the units once you get them up. Try to get support and mark my words GOOD LUCK.
Ya you have some control but they have majority of the control. If they go belly up...your units become worthless radios... Personally I stopped using the product and ebay the stuff. Been 5 months and still havent gotten 1 response to the 5 emails I have sent. Visit there Mt.View office and it looks like a fly by night outfit. 
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mocycler
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join:2001-01-22
Naperville, IL
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to guhuna
Re: Bleh.
I hope my dumbass neighbor puts one of these up so I can dump my DSL and get a free ride off him.
The ISP's may not care now, but if this idea takes off you can bet they will go fishing for these things and shut them down.
Maybe those who think this is such a wonderful idea won't mind letting the neighbors borrow their car, washing machine, lawnmower....
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John Galt
Forward, March
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join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
·CenturyLink
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :And I hope the ISPs disconnect their service if they do. I guess you didn't see this:
The San Francisco network, for example, can feature one DSL line that supports anywhere from 10 to 50 repeaters. With the mesh structure, Meraki also can reroute traffic to avoid any malfunctioning antennas. This gives the network stability and reach at a low cost. With the San Francisco project, Meraki also will pay for the Internet access so users won't be asked to share their personal Internet connection.
»www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c···ype=tech
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