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all we need is Wifi Terrorists |
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| Cool
This sounds cool,i would love to take control of airplane while i am on 16 or 18 hours flight. Would not do anything stupid, just maybe increase speed of airplane a little so we get to the final destination faster
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join:2003-03-18 | reply to Anonymous_
Re: Wifi Terrorists
don't worry, the wifi is probably monitored but don't let the terrorists know because if they know they'll start using the super secret wifi when they fly and we'll be screwed. |
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pnh102
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| Trying to Start a Panic?
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Analysts point out that the system that provides the Wi-Fi connectivity in the plane is directly connected to the plane’s communications and control systems.
Is this statement even remotely true? It was my understanding that the "vital functions" of a commercial aircraft are physically separated from any other functionality that isn't vital to the operation of the plane. For example, the plane should not be disabled should the air conditioner cease to work, etc.
I seriously doubt that Boeing or any other aircraft company would design an in-flight broadband system that would have any connections whatsoever into the vital functions of the aircraft.
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA | sheesh
if they are connected, then the designers are idiots. |
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Rob
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Re: Trying to Start a Panic?
said by pnh102  :I seriously doubt that Boeing or any other aircraft company would design an in-flight broadband system that would have any connections whatsoever into the vital functions of the aircraft. Hate to sound pessimistic, but I wouldn't doubt it! |
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StingerMoD
join:2002-10-16
Calgary, AB | reply to jig
Re: sheesh
Anybody say recall? |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Trying to Start a Panic?
said by pnh102 : I seriously doubt that Boeing or any other aircraft company would design an in-flight broadband system that would have any connections whatsoever into the vital functions of the aircraft. Well, according to the news story and their quoting Boeing spokesperson, that is exactly what they did.
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security
Boeing said it's aware of the issue and has designed a solution it will test shortly. FAA document spelling out the problem:
»cryptome.org/faa010208.htm
The digital systems architecture for the 787 consists of several
networks connected by electronics and embedded software. This proposed
network architecture is used for a diverse set of functions, including
the following:
1. Flight-safety-related control and navigation and required
systems (Aircraft Control Domain).
2. Airline business and administrative support (Airline Information
Domain).
3. Passenger entertainment, information, and Internet services
(Passenger Information and Entertainment Domain).
The proposed architecture of the 787 is different from that of
existing production (and retrofitted) airplanes. It allows new kinds of
passenger connectivity to previously isolated data networks connected
to systems that perform functions required for the safe operation of
the airplane. Because of this new passenger connectivity, the proposed
data network design and integration may result in security
vulnerabilities from intentional or unintentional corruption of data
and systems critical to the safety and maintenance of the airplane. The
existing regulations and guidance material did not anticipate this type
of system architecture or electronic access to aircraft systems that
provide flight critical functions. Furthermore, 14 CFR regulations and
current system safety assessment policy and techniques do not address
potential security vulnerabilities that could be caused by unauthorized
access to aircraft data buses and servers. Therefore, special
conditions are imposed to ensure that security, integrity, and
availability of the aircraft systems and data networks are not
compromised by certain wired or wireless electronic connections between
airplane data buses and networks. Simple translation: The planes redundant data bus is shared by multiple subsystems with the potential for interaction between the 3 main subsystems.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | stupid
Now whenever I hear someone typing/pecking rapidly into their laptop, I will have to wonder if the plane will go into a death dive in the next 2 seconds. |
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| "I'm on ur plane, hakin ur wifi"
Sorry, couldn't resist  Tthough whoever decided to put any sort of connection to the vital parts of a plane to the Wifi should be fired immediately. Why hire and keep people with such stupidity? |
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morbo
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stupid designers! |
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n3td3v
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| its supposed to be hacked, BY THE FEDS
But the whole point was so the feds could take control of the plane
from the ground if it were hi jacked. If you look on the internet
there are articles about the feds wanted to be able to take control of
an aircraft from the ground if its reported its been hi jacked by
terrorists, so its the FAA who is putting national security at risk by
making this information public. Why would you tell the public the
technical specification of an aircraft, is that not tipping off the
bad guys? The good guys the feds have been trying to get aircraft like
this for a long time, but it was supposed to be secret that the feds
are able to take over an aircraft from the ground to stop terrorists
from doing another 9/11. Sure we need to address this issue so un
authorised folks can't take control of the aircraft, but I don't think
any of this should of been made public for security reasons, this
could of all of been sorted out behind closed doors. |
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capecoddah
join:2005-03-18
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| Too Cool!
The ULTIMATE in next generation flight sim. After level 5 you actually get to land the plane !!! Kewl if it had bombs / guns / missles 
I HIGHLY doubt any of this... Like hacking another computer because you share the same power outlet. |
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theyipper
join:2001-01-18
Oakland, CA
1 edit | no longer a virtual simulation
The next version of Microsoft Flight Simulator will allow you to control a real plane! Whoo-hoo!
edit: 1-minute late. |
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SlickEnW
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| Boeing is using unpatched Win Server 2k installs :D
Sorry I had to go there. Srsly though, it doesn't take forever to brainwash individuals into killing themselves or showing them how to weild a gun.
Computer programming, on the other hand, is NOT FUN |
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mikenolan7
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| Very Scary
This is the kind of situation that arises because the general populace does not understand how vulnerable networked computers are. They have been led to believe that if they run a software firewall, or a $50 Linksys router on their networks, they are safe from network intrusions. Sure, they are now safe from the neighborhood kids, but not from skilled attackers, or attackers with custom-designed software. That type of software is openly for sale in the seedier parts of the internet, and is obviously readily available to organized terrorists.
I spent 9 years designing aircraft, and 15 designing spacecraft. The design engineers do not know more about network security than the average joe. It is not their specialty. These systems must be evaluated by network security experts, and must not rely on any type of software firewall. I left aerospace 2 years ago, and have studied network security for every waking minute since. The main thing I have learned is that it would take me many more years to even hope to slow down a dedicated, skilled attacker. Neither the FAA, nor any group of aircraft designers knows that, because it takes a lot more time to dedicate to network security to even learn how difficult it is to protect a network. The refusal to share details with security experts indicates a reliance on security by obscurity, which as the saying goes, is no security at all.
This article sent chills up my spine. Hopefully, more educated heads will prevail, and the systems will be completely separated. |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Too Cool!
said by capecoddah :The ULTIMATE in next generation flight sim. After level 5 you actually get to land the plane !!! Kewl if it had bombs / guns / missles Actually, American Airlines is testing with Homeland Security an anti-missile laser defense system that has been used on military aircraft and is now being tested on commercial airliners.
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ricep5
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| 777 Has Always Had It
The Boeing 777 also has an internal network running flight grade Unix controllers based on the Intel 80486SX. The maintenance bus and flight bus and entertainment controllers all share the same network.
The physical interconnect for the 787 is probably in the communications bay where they mux the Wifi requests onto the service channel supporting the online avionics reporting. My supposition is that its just a VPN backhaul to a ground based gateway.
I wouldn't worry about a single plane, I would be worried about multiple planes, if someone hacks into the backhaul for the service and avionics reporting. |
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Jameson
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VLANs people VLANs! Or why not just create two separate networks? |
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patcat88
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Re: stupid
said by Jonbo298 :"I'm on ur plane, hakin ur wifi" Sorry, couldn't resist Tthough whoever decided to put any sort of connection to the vital parts of a plane to the Wifi should be fired immediately. Why hire and keep people with such stupidity? Because they have CS degrees from 3rd world countries that forbid individual thought in society. |
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