  ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
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1 edit | U.S internet? When 360 and ps3 iptv do hit the U.S and they offer streaming channels whats that going to do for those people who are on monthly caps? Not to mention Comcast and their *secret* caps.
Hell will 6/384 even be enough for streaming video? I know it ain't for HD streams.
I'm not sure what their internet speed offerings are in British, but i have a feeling Microsoft choose them because of this reason with the American internet companys.
**Anyone know if theres a live stream somewhere of CES 2008?
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 |  MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: U.S internet? This content will be streamed by the DSL or Cable provider from their headend equipment or central office and will not be counted against the bit caps. It'll come from their equipment just like video on demand does now. | |
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| | ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
1 edit | Re: U.S internet? Eh, thats going to cost then, wonder what the price tag on that is. 
Being a gamer is becoming ever so damn expensive. Seems to me like the console makers are forgetting who their target is. | |
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| | |  ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
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| Re: U.S internet? said by ztmike:Eh, thats going to cost then, wonder what the price tag on that is. Being a gamer is becoming ever so damn expensive. Seems to me like the console makers are forgetting who their target is. Exactly. Somewhat off topic, but when I bought my 360 I did not have a HDTV. I was kind of pissed when a good portion of the writing on some games was unreadable.
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Glen Allen, VA | Re: U.S internet? said by ptrowski:said by ztmike:Eh, thats going to cost then, wonder what the price tag on that is. Being a gamer is becoming ever so damn expensive. Seems to me like the console makers are forgetting who their target is. Exactly. Somewhat off topic, but when I bought my 360 I did not have a HDTV. I was kind of pissed when a good portion of the writing on some games was unreadable. LOL... I have the same beef with my PS3  | |
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| Re: U.S internet? said by R4M0N:said by ptrowski:said by ztmike:Eh, thats going to cost then, wonder what the price tag on that is. Being a gamer is becoming ever so damn expensive. Seems to me like the console makers are forgetting who their target is. Exactly. Somewhat off topic, but when I bought my 360 I did not have a HDTV. I was kind of pissed when a good portion of the writing on some games was unreadable. LOL... I have the same beef with my PS3 That sucks! I can say that the issue went away after the upgrade to a HDTV.
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| | |  gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Having everything on the same box, you might have to choose between watching/recording a show or movie, or playing that game.
Then, for family's, mom or dad wants to watch their shows, or let the kids play a game  | |
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join:2001-02-26
CWCville USA | When the SNES came out in 1990, it was $200, considering minimum wage has almost DOUBLED since then what does that say about the price of consoles? Interestingly, in 1985, the NES also cost $200, and years later, the N64 was released for $200. All those came with a single controller and a single game, just like the base system does today.
The prices haven't gone up, you're just discovering how much your parents spent on you when you were a kid. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: U.S internet? said by james:When the SNES came out in 1990, it was $200, considering minimum wage has almost DOUBLED since then what does that say about the price of consoles? Interestingly, in 1985, the NES also cost $200, and years later, the N64 was released for $200. All those came with a single controller and a single game, just like the base system does today. The prices haven't gone up, you're just discovering how much your parents spent on you when you were a kid. The Intellivison cost $300 in 1980. That's like $700 today. And people gripe about the PS3. The averge income in 1980 was $15,000 a year. | |
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| |  DogfatherPremium
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Laguna Hills, CA | Not only that, but US IPTV like that would be a ways off and with cable providers moving forward with SDV and later DOCSIS 3 a lot of the BW crunch would be lifted. | |
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| DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX | You misunderstand the model. BT already sell IPTV-over-VDSL in a similar way to AT&T do with U-Verse. This deal allows Xbox 360 owners to use the Xbox as the STB rather than needing a separate STB. | |
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In the US this means AT&T or a local independant who runs MS Mediaroom.
The bits are streamed outside of the "internet" part of the connection. It's IP...TV and not I...PTV. | |
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| | | | Re: U.S internet? said by READ :
Is for their IPTV service which IS NOT SUBJET to the the HSI service caps!!!
Caps are still in place over IPTV its still internet. | |
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| | | | | Re: U.S internet? No itt's not. IPTV is not internet TV. | |
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2 edits | Re: U.S internet? said by bogey780:No itt's not. IPTV is not internet TV. You need the internet for it to work. what does the i stand for in IPTV then?
Edit it still runs though for dsl or cable modem to make the 360 connect. | |
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join:2003-07-20
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kudos:12 | Re: U.S internet? said by hayabusa3303:said by bogey780:No itt's not. IPTV is not internet TV. You need the internet for it to work. what does the i stand for in IPTV then? No, you don't. IP = Internet Protocol, but you don't need to access the internet for IPTV to work.
You think AT&T is transmitting their IPTV across the internet? | |
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| Re: U.S internet? said by Matt:said by hayabusa3303:said by bogey780:No itt's not. IPTV is not internet TV. You need the internet for it to work. what does the i stand for in IPTV then? No, you don't. IP = Internet Protocol, but you don't need to access the internet for IPTV to work. You think AT&T is transmitting their IPTV across the internet? How is the 360 going to connect unless you make a usb device for it. See what im getting at here. There is no other connections right now besides internet to the 360.
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4 edits | Re: U.S internet? Simple. The same way the current set top boxes get their video...through the ethernet port to the network...Or you could use an HPNA3 to ethernet bridge and run your 360 off of the phone line or coax line, either way will still work. Network does not always mean internet. You can have a network connection without it going to the internet. It really isn't that difficult to understand, the 360 will be just like an IPTV set top box.
AT&T's U-verse video never once touches the internet. It is all kept on their private network. The only thing on U-verse that touches the internet is the actual internet. U-verse video uses the Internet Protocol, but is never actually put on the internet. Think of it as more of an intranet.
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| You gotta be kidding me! [rant..beware!] RRoD STB?
The British repair depots have already stated "no more xbox service until the bloody thing's re-engineered to NOT fail".
You want a hairdryer for a set top box?
Or the horrible blade navigation? (since last update, it is still a dog and awkward to play, let alone configure...ask a parent).
No thanks. My MotoHD STB is fine. Quieter. And works after being on constantly for 14 months...try that with a 360. | |
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|  cbrigante2Cubs 20??Premium
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North Aurora, IL | Re: You gotta be kidding me! [rant..beware!] said by cableties:RRoD STB? The British repair depots have already stated "no more xbox service until the bloody thing's re-engineered to NOT fail". You want a hairdryer for a set top box? Or the horrible blade navigation? (since last update, it is still a dog and awkward to play, let alone configure...ask a parent). No thanks. My MotoHD STB is fine. Quieter. And works after being on constantly for 14 months...try that with a 360. I have to agree with you there. I love the whole idea of it, but it's the wrong piece of hardware to pull off with the type of reliability that end users demand on tv service equipment. | |
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| DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Both my 360s have been running for a year. Can't say that about one of my Motorola DVRs. | |
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| | cbrigante2Cubs 20??Premium
join:2002-11-22
North Aurora, IL | Re: You gotta be kidding me! [rant..beware!] said by Dogfather:Both my 360s have been running for a year. Can't say that about one of my Motorola DVRs. You're getting close to RROD time. Both of my 360s lasted about 14 months before they crapped out. I had a Tivo unit last me about 5 years before it finally died. | |
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| |  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | DVR's and STB's are not quite the same thing.
My DTV STB never goes out unless the power does.
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join:2004-06-05
Toronto | From personal experience I had two 360s fail on me and I'm not a hardcore gamer. It's too power hungry and noisy to be a set top box. But it sounds great on paper. | |
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| MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | said by cableties:RRoD STB? The British repair depots have already stated "no more xbox service until the bloody thing's re-engineered to NOT fail". You want a hairdryer for a set top box? Or the horrible blade navigation? (since last update, it is still a dog and awkward to play, let alone configure...ask a parent). No thanks. My MotoHD STB is fine. Quieter. And works after being on constantly for 14 months...try that with a 360. ::shrug:: I personally like the blade navigation. It's quick and easy to use.
Also, the 360 and your MotoHD box likely cost about the same, but now the IPTV provider can entice people with the prospect of being able to play games. | |
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The blade interface will still be used for existing 360 functions (gaming, friends list, etc), but for the TV part it will use the mediaroom interface. | |
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| | MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | Re: You gotta be kidding me! [rant..beware!] Wow, the MediaRoom interface is bad ass. I like it. | |
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| | |  intellerSociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Re: You gotta be kidding me! [rant..beware!] just looks like a tweaked version of Media Center on Vista.....you must not get out much. | |
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join:2003-07-20
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kudos:12 | Re: You gotta be kidding me! [rant..beware!] said by inteller:just looks like a tweaked version of Media Center on Vista.....you must not get out much. Actually, I do get out a lot which is why I can't identify every MS interface on sight. 
The interface is still very slick. Better than anything I've seen so far, including the Tivo interface. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA
3 edits | Throw in some Seganet It would be cool if providers offering this then allowed you to rent games over their systems.
In the US, a cablecard ready PS3 or XBOX 360, with a 250-500GB HDD, DVR software with rental games on demand, would be a great recipe for couch potato. Life? What's a life? I got me a PS3-DVR-IPTV-VOD-Rental-Blu-Ray machine. | |
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| en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Throw in some Seganet I'm sure that's already in the works... take a trip to CES.
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join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA | Why Not Run a Shop Vac in Your Living Room? I'm on my 3rd iteration. Looking to buy a 4th as soon as I can be certain to get a cooler running "Zephyr" version with the new scaler chip. My latest Xbox 360 has been running without the third party fan cooler that is terribly loud, but now the DVD drive seriously distracts me from the immersion factor. I find myself using my computer and PS3 more and more. Mass Effect was the last game I played on the Xbox 360. Haven't fired it up in the last two weeks except to check out the latest downloadable content each Wednesday.
Even with headphones on, I can still hear my Xbox 360's fans and DVD drive churning and spurning. Not sure how much longer it will last, but it is still under warranty if it red lights on me. This is not something I would be content to have to put up with for daily television viewing. | |
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| en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Why Not Run a Shop Vac in Your Living Room? I agree, and compared to a standard STB, what would the power consumption be like. I think my DTV STB is between 11W and 17W.
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join:2005-04-20
Warner Robins, GA | ho hum Correct me if I'm wrong, but IPTV is designed for on-demand programming, right? So basically... the only difference between Marketplace and IPTV is the content and the fact that IPTV streams from the start? Because when downloading a movie from Marketplace, the movie can be started while the movie is still downloading (depending on the speed of your connection, the buffer may take awhile to fill).
Guess I'm just not really seeing the hype over this when something so similar is already in place. | |
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join:2005-08-03
Holland, MI
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| Re: ho hum said by LordFlux:Correct me if I'm wrong, but IPTV is designed for on-demand programming, right? So basically... the only difference between Marketplace and IPTV is the content and the fact that IPTV streams from the start? Because when downloading a movie from Marketplace, the movie can be started while the movie is still downloading (depending on the speed of your connection, the buffer may take awhile to fill). Guess I'm just not really seeing the hype over this when something so similar is already in place. It can do like 6 picture in a picture at once. Real time switch to record. Super fast channel changing. | |
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2 edits | What is the point? What is the point of using the 360 on BT's service when all it can do is tune into the VoD? BT's live TV comes over the antenna on the roof, the only thing IPTV about BT's service is their VoD service. In other words, the 360 can only be used to surf through VoD content...But when Microsoft releases Anywhere DVR, it looks like you can connect to the BT DVR from the 360 and get your live content that way. I initially thought BT's service was a pure IPTV one, but this article told me otherwise: »www.lightreading.com/document.as···d=142432. Upon closer inspection of the BT website, it appears that is correct. »www.btvision.bt.com/vision/whats···atis.htm
When/if the 360 is ever allowed on pure IPTV services like AT&T's U-verse, the 360 will have full STB functionality. When AT&T and other IPTV providers using MediaRoom implement Whole Home DVR (Microsoft's Anywhere DVR), the 360 can supposedly watch recorded material from the DVR as well as schedule recordings. This should make up if they don't allow the 360 itself to be a DVR, and also makes it easier on existing 360 users with not enough room on their drive. | |
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