Cabal
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join:2007-01-21
Boston, MA
1 edit | Stop misusing "Net Neutrality"
Net Neutrality refers to ISPs double dipping on charging/extorting fees for both users paying for their connections and web sites paying for prioritization of traffic according to origination and destination. It does not refer to protocol-based QoS. It does not mean a flat, unmanaged, unQoS-ed Internet. By repeatedly and deliberately misusing this phrase, its importance is being weakened.
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andyb
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | Protect?
" employ such technology if you're doing it to protect your network."
Protect it from what? Being used? |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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 ·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
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Re: Stop misusing "Net Neutrality"
said by Cabal  :Net Neutrality refers to ISPs double dipping on charging/extorting fees for both users paying for their connections and web sites paying for prioritization of traffic according to origination and destination. It does not refer to protocol-based QoS. It does not mean a flat, unmanaged, unQoS-ed Internet. By repeatedly and deliberately misusing this phrase, its importance is being weakened. I agree. Bittorent has a bad reputation as a bandwidth hog and illegal downloads. Instead, buy your music, buy your porn, and buy your movies. Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
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But that definition of net neutrality doesn't help all of the whiners that want to use their 20/2 connections full-bore, 24/7/367.
BTW, Comcast will be allowed to continue this practice of managing their network. The only thing that may change is that they may be required to actually state what they're doing and managing, but that's a long shot IMO. Honestly, I think the government and consumers would be better served by going after advertising practices of some of these ISPs rather than trying to force lack of network management down business' throats. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to andyb
Re: Protect?
From crawling on it's knees because of the huge number of connections that BT seeding can bring on. |
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esc0
@swbell.net | Unbelievable
Never thought I'd see this day in America. What's next? |
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MrMoody
But the Grinch ... did Not.
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Traffic shaping
The problem is not traffic shaping (i.e. QoS) which many cablecos use, the problem is forging packets and breaking connections.
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
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Re: Stop misusing "Net Neutrality"
This is good news!
Even if the Comcast is not found breaking any rules that the FCC has set forth, then at the very least it shows the public the unethical practices Comcast preforms.
spread the word!
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ztmike
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Michigan City, IN
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Re: Protect?
said by andyb :" employ such technology if you're doing it to protect your network." Protect it from what? Being used? I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to openbox9
Re: Stop misusing "Net Neutrality"
Advertising practices eh? Noooo, that's crazy talk. The tel/cable-cos are nothing but straightforward. Better to have a grand FCC "inquiry" into something that cannot be regulated!!! That's progress.
I always like getting my bills at the end of the month. So many surprise charges! $19.99/mo + System access fee + 911 fee + deployment retrieval fee + state/province recovery fee + enema fee + CEO's kid needs a new BMW fee. |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico
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Re: Protect?
said by andyb :Protect it from what? Being used? Silly, don't you know you're supposed to be using your 16/2 connection for checking email and surfing webpages only? That way they can give everyone "16/2" and not upgrade their network. |
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offspring07
join:2008-01-06
Taxis River, NB | reply to andyb
This is exactly what I was wondering. It is like they don't want anyone doing anything on the internet except surf the web and read e-mail. Well I'm sorry if I use my internet more than the average Joe. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to MrMoody
Re: Traffic shaping
Maybe if BT wasn't so damn destructive it wouldn't get shaped. I manage some networks for some hotels. It took 1 user in a 150 room hotel that had a 10Mb/10Mb connection to render it completely useless to every other guest in the hotel. |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
| Comcast is my hero.....
They should degrade (or outright block) anything that gets in the way of providing customers quality service. That includes bittorrent, video, voip or anything else that degrades the user experience.
They may get another opportunity to throttle if this new apple itunes VOD service gets out of hand. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: Protect?
said by andyb :" employ such technology if you're doing it to protect your network." Protect it from what? Being used? Protect it from all the movie and music thieves that make up the majority of P2P use.
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offspring07
join:2008-01-06
Taxis River, NB | reply to JasonD
Re: Comcast is my hero.....
Well maybe Comcast should get out of the ISP business if they can't keep up. My ISP has no bandwidth limits and they don't throttle bittorrent. Comcast is just too cheap to upgrade their infrastructure. |
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Tails
join:2007-09-25
Sanford, NC
·Windstream
|  So...
Why can't cable companies just cap the user instead of "forging packets and breaking connections?" Give them xxxx amount of bandwidth down/up "reserved" for the user so that user doesn't start leeching other peoples' bandwidth. Make the user pay for the bandwidth that they use each month. Kinda works like DSL I guess. Isolated network and no "peak" times. Someone correct me if I'm wrong =D |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| The shills are out in force today.
If people wanted an Internet connection that they could use for email and light web surfing, even dialup would do.
Complaining that any application which actually attempts to use the bandwidth advertised is abusive or destructive is missing the point. The only reason such applications cause problems is because Comcast is unable to provide what they are promising. |
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bolt
Former Broadband Exile
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join:2003-11-11
Charlestown, IN | reply to Tails
Re: So...
Because then the cable co's couldn't claim the ridiculously high bandwidth possibilities on transfer speeds that no one ever actually gets. |
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school
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Re: Stop misusing "Net Neutrality"
You bet.
I end up using BitTorrent on colocated servers which I operate to update the virtual machines installs of CentOS.
The only quick way to download a CentOS DVD is via BT. The other providers would take hours / days for a download. With BT, I can max out my servers 100 MBPS line while performing the download.
There, a legit purpose for the usage of BT. Anything else supergirl? |
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