ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
 ·VOIPo
| Here we go...
Cash cow for the incumbents and major losses for anyone else. I can almost guarantee that other ILECs are using the same technology. Why haven't they sued each other yet. Oh wait, that's right, they won't so they can own it all and our government in its current state will let them. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Im sure they are asking everyone and anyone who looks like they are using their IP for money.
Then taking them to court if they think they can win one at a time, so as not to overwhelm their legal team. |
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pabster
join:2001-12-09
Waterloo, IA | Ah, what a business model!
Litigate, why innovate? It's been Ma Bell's slogan for a century.
Next up...all other *CABLE* VoIP providers, one by one. |
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
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join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
clubs:
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Vonage
·magicjack.com
| 4th Largest
According to Wikipedia, Cox is the 3rd largest cable company in the nation. Perhaps Verizon is going to warm up with them, and then head on to Comcast, Time Warner and Cablevision.
I hate referencing Wiki, but it was the first like that was brought up after a Google search.  |
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Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Does Cox telephony infringe?
I thought VoCable or whatever Cox uses was different from the VoIP systems other VoIP providers like Vonage. Like the difference between Comcast Digital Voice vs Comcast Digital Phone. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to pabster
Re: Ah, what a business model!
Your time reference of a century is off by quite a bit, but yes, the last decade or two has most definitely shown that our society has turned into a litigious battleground. It's not must Ma Bell btw |
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
Premium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
clubs:
·Embarq
 ·linode
| What if it was...
What if it was YOUR patent, who would YOU be suing?
Much like people who misuse others copyrights, if you don't defend it, it's useless.
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jtel
join:2005-06-28
Bristol, RI
| reply to pabster
Re: Ah, what a business model!
said by pabster  :Litigate, why innovate? Why innovate when you can just steal someone else's ideas?
Whats the point of spending dollars on R&D if you can just backwards engineer someone else's product and sell it as yours?
I'd be suing too. |
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bngdup
join:2007-02-20
Old Bridge, NJ
·Cablevision
| Comcast uses the same thing
Having personally known people who worked for Comcast Digital Voice I know they use SIP and Cisco VOIP gateways just like every other VOIP phone out there. The only difference between Vonage and Comcast is that its hard to run a packet capture on the COAX portion of the cable, so in other words their SIP messaging is less visable.
Its funny when I see morons posting things like "When Vonage needs some technology, they just steal it...". It must be nice living in a world where you believe everything a big advertisement tells you.
Verizon won a lawsuit that sets a precedent saying they own some basic internet process because they bought off a judge in Virginia and used some big fancy words to confuse the hapless citizens. Now that they have set the precedent they want to see who else they can sue and collect "royalties" from. Anyone who believes Verizon invented VOIP is a moron, plain and simple. I challenge any of you to prove me wrong. |
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Electro960
join:2005-12-21
Doylestown, PA
| reply to ropeguru
Re: Here we go...
If someone stole your protected idea and then used it to take away "lots" of your customers, I'm sure you would sue as well. When I say "lots", thats lots enough to make a cable company brag at the 2008 CES that they're now the 4th largest phone company in the US. Thats a major accomplishment in such little time. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
| reply to jtel
Re: Ah, what a business model!
Backward engineering is not illegal and you as a consumer have the biggest benefit of this. If it wasn't for that concept, most improvements would not be made to products by the original creator or the person developing it based on the information they were able to obtain by legally backward engineering a product. |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
·VOIPo
| reply to Electro960
Re: Here we go...
said by Electro960 :If someone stole your protected idea and then used it to take away "lots" of your customers, I'm sure you would sue as well. When I say "lots", thats lots enough to make a cable company brag at the 2008 CES that they're now the 4th largest phone company in the US. Thats a major accomplishment in such little time. And I agree with the stealing part but that was NOT my point. If they are going to sue these competitors for infringement, then they should not be able to pick ONLY those that are competition. I cannot believe that none of the other ILECs that are non-competition aren't using these patents also in their VoIP products. All they are trying to do is run everyone else out of business that competes with them. When you get as big as Verizon and subsidized by the govt to get started and then allowed through regulation to become a monopoly, which they essentially are, then it is wrong. |
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | reply to gatorkram
Re: What if it was...
I have little sympathy for patent trolls. |
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Lions
@verizon.net | What do Lions do?
They go after the slowest, weakest prey which is easy to catch.. and build upon that success? Guess what? They'll be using the money from Vonage to go after the cable industry now.. eventually that can fund FIOS upgrades. |
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John Galt
Forward, March
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
·CenturyLink
| reply to ropeguru
Re: Here we go...
said by ropeguru :And I agree with the stealing part but that was NOT my point. If they are going to sue these competitors for infringement, then they should not be able to pick ONLY those that are competition. They will get around to them all...don't worry about THAT.
What was that comment that Robert Duvall made about the bulls in the movie "Colors"...?
Verizon is an old bull.
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meister_sd
Premium
join:2006-01-29
La Mesa, CA
| reply to bngdup
Re: Comcast uses the same thing
said by bngdup :Anyone who believes Verizon invented VOIP is a moron, plain and simple. I challenge any of you to prove me wrong. Verizon didn't have to invent it - just patent it first... Other craziness of our system. *sigh* |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to jtel
Re: Ah, what a business model!
"Whats the point of spending dollars on R&D if you can just backwards engineer someone else's product and sell it as yours?"
So how much innovation would we have in PCs if the IBM PC had not been backwards engineered? |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
1 edit | reply to Electro960
Re: Here we go...
said by Electro960 :If someone stole your protected idea and then used it to take away "lots" of your customers, I'm sure you would sue as well. When I say "lots", thats lots enough to make a cable company brag at the 2008 CES that they're now the 4th largest phone company in the US. Thats a major accomplishment in such little time. I agree that they shouldn't steal, but such a general idea never should have been patented to begin with. It's paramount to patenting seeing images in your web browser. Sure, you can patent a format format, say xyz for example. But don't go into lawsuit mode just because someone uses jpg files instead of yours to view images with. That's about sums up the whole VoIP fiasco we keep hearing about. They have a patent on something general, just not specific and yet they win in court due to non-technical judges and a jury that was composed of idiots in my opinion. That's why you get to pick out a jury anyway.  |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
·Cox VOIP
·Skype
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
| reply to ropeguru
Verizon Communications Inc. (NYSE: VZ - message board) is once again in the plaintiff's seat in a patent infringement case, this time going after Cox Communications Inc.
Verizon filed papers in Eastern District Court of Virginia on Jan. 11 alleging that Cox violated eight patents related to the technology used for completing IP voice calls. Four of the patents were included in Verizon's suit against Vonage Holdings Corp. (NYSE: VG - message board) last year. (See Vonage Ordered to Pay $58M to Verizon.) Verizon was eventually awarded $120 million in damages in that case.
The suit against Cox raises the question of whether Verizon will go after other Cable MSOs in court as well. "They all adhere to the CableLabs PacketCable architecture," says Alan Breznick, senior analyst with Heavy Reading. "So conceivably they could."
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Shouldn't they be suing everyone?
The patents Verizon says Cox is infringing upon:
U.S. Patent No. 6,970,930 (not in Vonage case)
U.S. Patent No. 6,104, 711 (Vonage was found to have infringed)
U.S. Patent No. 6,430,275 (Vonage found not to have infringed)
U.S. Patent No. 6,137,869 (Vonage found not to have infringed)
U.S. Patent No. 6,282,574 (Vonage was found to have infringed)
U.S. Patent No. 6,335,927 (not in Vonage case)
U.S. Patent No. 6,292,481 (not in Vonage case)
U.S. Patent No. 6,636,597 (not in Vonage case)
»www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/81h···359.html
I doubt VZ will win this one. Cox won't be hiring idiot lawyers like Vonage. And, why not bring up all the other Cable outfits doing it too? That really does not make much sense. I can see suing Vonage since they were not paying connection fees but Cox does. I pay that $6.50 FCC Access Fee on Cox like I did on Bellsouth.
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TheGhost
Premium
join:2003-01-03
Lake Forest, IL
clubs: | reply to meister_sd
Re: Comcast uses the same thing
Problem is, they went for the patent after the working group came out with the specification. Kind of like what Rambus did, but maybe worse as they stole the idea from the working group and they pawned it off as their own. |
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