jhboricua
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Minneapolis, MN
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There was a local article in the newspaper talking about this less than a month ago. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| More Taxpayer Fleecing
$800,000 of hard-earned taxpayer money wasted so far and $3 million more needed?
That could have paid for a few police officers, teachers, road improvements, fire trucks, ambulances, and other things that a local government should actually be procuring. If there is any justice to be had from here, any elected official who approved this project should be made to personally work off all the money wasted here and return it to the taxpayers.
This is just more proof that any Internet service which requires even a single nickel of taxpayer money to be spent at any level should be banned outright.
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA
| Sue! Sue! Sue!
I hope Arinc has to pay back every dime spent on this project. It's bluntly clear Arinc didn't know what they were doing. After reading the whole article, made it more clear they were very half-assing this.
I guess going to the lowest bidder isn't always the best suggestion. Maybe some cities will learn from this. |
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jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: More Taxpayer Fleecing
Oh please, spare us the rethoric and your so call 'outrage'. Government has wasted even more taxpayer money in incentives and tax breaks for incumbents all over the country on broadband promises never delivered. $800,000 is a speck of dust.
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | reply to pnh102
so you're in favor then of local governments not granting Verizon tax breaks and sweetheart deals anymore? they should finance everything 100% on their own right? no breaks, no deals, no restricted build outs? . |
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timcuth
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join:2000-09-18
Pelham, AL
clubs: | Like they always say,
.... you get what you pay for. 
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
| solar wireless
the company hired to do this are a bunch of idiots. apparently they didn't do any research. I see highway phones all over NY State that are solar powered that work fine because the company which received the contract from the government made sure they had a clear line to sunlight. pnh 102 you are a pretty funny guy. kinda one dimensional actually. |
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jhboricua
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join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: More Taxpayer Fleecing
said by rit56  :so you're in favor then of local governments not granting Verizon tax breaks and sweetheart deals anymore? they should finance everything 100% on their own right? no breaks, no deals, no restricted build outs? . Of course he's not. Have you seen the thread on NYC FIOS. Over there his outrage is about how 'government is holding progress back' by not letting his master do whatever they want with NYC. Go the Lafayette LUS related threads and he's bashing them too for no reason other than it is not a incumbent deployment but one done by the city. It's pretty clear what his real motivations are, which is why I find it so funny that he comes to this thread to state how this wasted money could have been used for teachers, policeman, etc... it reeks of hypocrisy.
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bassjunky
join:2005-05-12
Aubrey, TX | Well...
I guess they stuck it where the sun don't shine... |
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jbob
Reach Out and Touch Someone
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join:2004-04-26
Little Rock, AR
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| Fix it
Rather than sue Arinc to remove this work they should sue to get them to honor the contract and make it work as per the contract. If it costs Arinc more so be it. Unless of course the contract is not well written which I guess might be the case. I used to deal with Arinc with them as a military contractor. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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Re: More Taxpayer Fleecing
said by jhboricua :Government has wasted even more taxpayer money in incentives and tax breaks for incumbents all over the country on broadband promises never delivered. There's a huge difference between a tax break and an outright payment by a government. Someone had to decide how to spend that money. Clearly, it should have been spent on something else.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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| reply to rit56
said by rit56 :so you're in favor then of local governments not granting Verizon tax breaks and sweetheart deals anymore? they should finance everything 100% on their own right? no breaks, no deals, no restricted build outs? . You already know the answer to this so there's no need to repeat myself.
What does Verizon have to do with this situation?
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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Re: Sue! Sue! Sue!
said by Jonbo298 :I hope Arinc has to pay back every dime spent on this project. Keep dreaming. If Arinc is financially strapped and smart, they will conveniently declare bankruptcy and they can put this whole incident behind them.
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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Re: More Taxpayer Fleecing
said by pnh102 :What does Verizon have to do with this situation? That you're a telco shill, of course. |
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mikenolan7
Premium
join:2005-06-07
Torrance, CA | Light of Day
If the original bid was $1.7 million, how can it cost $3 million to complete. Replace your transceivers. This time, look up. If you are under a tree. Move over. |
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bent
not broken
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Loveland, CO
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Re: More Taxpayer Fleecing
Shameless Shill.
There is PLENTY of precedent for municipalities providing all sorts utility service. Most often these infrastructure builds are funded by the issuance of bonds which are paid back out of the revenues the services generates.
If you're in the camp that views broadband as a luxury service, you should check into The Flat Earth Society, I'm sure your views would be more than welcome there.
Save the astroturfing for grandma dial-up who still buys it.
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caddyroger
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Re: Fix it
said by jbob :Rather than sue Arinc to remove this work they should sue to get them to honor the contract and make it work as per the contract. If it costs Arinc more so be it. Unless of course the contract is not well written which I guess might be the case. I used to deal with Arinc with them as a military contractor. They can out of it all the have to is file bankruptcy.
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jhboricua
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Minneapolis, MN
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Re: More Taxpayer Fleecing
said by pnh102 :There's a huge difference between a tax break and an outright payment by a government. When the reason behind both don't materialize there is no difference to the taxpayer. Except in this case the city can tell Arinc to get lost. They can't realistically to that to the incumbents.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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| reply to bent
said by bent :There is PLENTY of precedent for municipalities providing all sorts utility service. And it is all wrong.
said by bent :If you're in the camp that views broadband as a luxury service ... Of course it is. People can and have lived without it.
I like how you put in your signature a reference to the famous quote by Thoreau, but you advocate government providing a luxury service to people at the same time. I highly doubt any true libertarian would be in favor of any sort of government-provided luxury communications service.
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jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
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Re: Light of Day
said by mikenolan7 :If the original bid was $1.7 million, how can it cost $3 million to complete. Replace your transceivers. This time, look up. If you are under a tree. Move over. I don't know dude. I drove the other day by St. Louis Park and saw one of those contraptions on a STOP sign pole. They are absolutely hideous and as a homeowner I wouldn't want one in front of my house.
Minneapolis and US internet are doing a much better job on their WI-Fi deployment and you really don't notice the WI-FI antennas unless you're specifically looking to find them.
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