patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| nothing will change
They aren't stupid to suddenly get rid of it, and have all their users calling in that they are getting dialup speeds. Nothing will change until ATT/Verizon do a smear campaign about it. Internet is unregulated, so is Comcast. If you want a real internet connection, rent a lamba/fiber to Equinix. |
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dr3yec
join:2002-12-19
00000
 ·CableOne
| Just stupid!
Well they can look foward to losing customers. I dont even use p2p much anymore. But any company blocking any traffic, doesnt deserve my business. I am gone from comcast in 28 days. For this reason and there price hikes. To me the 2 great evils in this country are Comcrap and At&t. Just cant see myself giving any of my hard earned money to these companies anymore. |
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Don't see a problem here.....
less speed slowdowns due to the pirate crowd. |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| BitTorrent Grown Up and Left Dad?
Does anyone at all still use or want the original BitTorrent client or its current closed incarnation now that Bram has turned semi-evil (or rather, wants to make some money for his work)?
Hasn't BitTorrent, per se, moved on without him in just about every conceivable way?
I'm not pontificating -- I'm really asking. (It's not something I've closely followed.)
As to throttling, I suppose Bram considers the other means companies use to corrupt file sharing (fake trackers and corrupt or incomplete connections or "bait" or whatever it's called) equally clever and admirable?
I guess the guy's a genius, but he may also be a tool.
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In a realm outside causality and function |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
1 edit | Comcast TOS
User agrees not to
# run programs, equipment, or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises LAN (Local Area Network), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited services and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers;
[Just a point, not making a statement on the issue]
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| reply to B
Re: BitTorrent Grown Up and Left Dad?
I think you're probably right that things having moved on.
His big solution to avoid throttling (right around the time he was trying to monetize the client into the form of a store) was to make the client closed source and really push ISP level caching, which as far as I know, no ISP has invested in. |
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eugenegill
join:2004-05-05
Greenville, SC
·Charter Pipeline
 ·VoicePulse
| Comcast -> AOL
If an ISP is filtering, throttling, blocking ports, redirecting DNS or otherwise messing with packets, it violates internet protocol. The ISP is no longer offering an internet service and should be prevented from advertising it as such under truth-in-advertising laws.
Instead, I propose they call their crippled network something else, AOL comes to mind. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
| tiering...
'And I said, 'Why should I care?'"'
And that is why ISPs want tiering. Content creators or distributors do not care how much kludge they create. The ISPs have two choices, increase network ability at a cost to the people who pay for access, or to cut access. |
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b10010011
Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA
·Comcast Formerly ..
| monoply power rules
If Comcast had any REAL competition in most area they would stop.
Sorry, DSL, Cleawire, and satellite is not REAL competition.
Does anyone know of Comcast is doing this in areas where FIOS is also deployed? Anyone know if Verizion has plans for the same type of crap? |
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ricep5
Premium
join:2000-08-07
Jacksonville, FL
 ·AT&T Southeast
·AT&T CallVantage
·VoicePulse
·Comcast Formerly ..
| said by b10010011  :Does anyone know of Comcast is doing this in areas where FIOS is also deployed? A legitimate question and one that should be checked out. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
3 edits | reply to bogey780
Re: tiering...
quote:
Content creators or distributors do not care how much kludge they create.
I don't know. Most of them at least try to do something vaguely resembling efficiency with their products. quote:
The ISPs have two choices, increase network ability at a cost to the people who pay for access, or to cut access.
How about taking the $5 per user from the sale of clickstream data, the additional revenue from behavioral advertising deep packet inspection (from companies like NebuAd), and the advertising revenue from DNS redirection services, some of the cash from the sale of cars and homes, and put it into the network? 
On top of the $65 being charged for stand alone 6-8Mbps service, and with the money saved from using crap subcontractors and offshore labor, I kind of feel like maybe that's enough revenue for most ISPs to operate a broadband network without forging packets? I dunno. Maybe I'm daft. |
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offspring07
join:2008-01-06
Taxis River, NB | Cancel Comcast
Everyone who has Comcast should cancel if they have an alternative ISP to switch too. |
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs:
| reply to ninjatutle
Re: Don't see a problem here.....
said by ninjatutle :less speed slowdowns due to the pirate crowd. If they didn't constantly oversell their available bandwidth, there wouldn't be an issue to begin with.
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | reply to B
Re: BitTorrent Grown Up and Left Dad?
He bought uTorrent, I don't think the python client is the one they push anymore. |
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MJRudzik
join:2002-01-13
Independence, MO
| reply to telcolackey
Re: Comcast TOS
Thank you. I've been saying that for a long time. Everyone acts like Comcast is attacking bt entirely when all they are doing is preventing upload via BT. Im sure that if there was a huge flood of traditional ftp servers on Comcast Residential then there would be a blockade on port 21. Sheesh I get tired of people whining about not getteing what they agreed they weren't entitled to. Buy Commercial service already. |
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Mike
Premium,Mod
join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
clubs:  | reply to offspring07
Re: Cancel Comcast
Comcast in my city = 8mb down.
Verizon (only other thing) = 3mb down. Verizon is also $15 a month more. |
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MJRudzik
join:2002-01-13
Independence, MO
| reply to offspring07
Why? I like my Comcast. Fast Internet clear phone good tv. Sometime I think its a little pricey but when I do the math its pretty competitive with Satellite, DSL, and land line phone service. Both ways the 3 services come out to about the same price around $130. The only Difference is that my Comcast is about 8x faster than the fastest dsl in my neighborhood. Both in speed and latency. And I have yet to have a bad service experience. I have always gotten freindly helpful people when I call in. Maybe I've just been lucky but I'm staying. |
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia | reply to MJRudzik
Re: Comcast TOS
Uploading on bittorrent is not the same thing as running a server. Uploading (seeding, in bt terminology) works with both remotely and locally initiated connections. |
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Boogeyman
Drive it like you stole it
Premium
join:2002-12-17
Huntsville, AL
| reply to MJRudzik
But um, by that wording, I am also banned from sending a pic of my newborn to my mom over an IM, since that is considered "file sharing". Of course, no one in thier right mind would consider that "unacceptable", but what if it was a 2hr HD video of the birth? Would that still be acceptable? What if I was away on business (say as an over-seas contractor) and missed all of my sons little league games and my wife uploaded them to me? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Camelot One
Re: Don't see a problem here.....
And if they didn't constantly oversell their available bandwidth, customers wouldn't be seeing 10 Mbps connection for $49/mth. The problem is, the old model of scaling and planning for network usage doesn't play well with a few abusers and some of the new applications/protocols being used. Additionally, it's not necessarily about bandwidth usage, it's also about the number of connections that BT brings to the network. It truly is a hog of a protocol in every respect. Cohen even cockily admits that he designed it to be so. It's a broken design that's become too popular to passively ignore any longer. |
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