Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | More internet speedometer nonsense
And anyone who challenges him here or elsewhere he immediately insults and is lectured that they are just jealous of his genius. Why anyone listens to him is a mystery. |
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Matt
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2 edits |  Greensboro and Guilford County
The Greensboro City and Guilford County governmental bodies built a fiber optic ring years and years ago. Unfortunately, it's for city and county LAN/WAN traffic only at this time.
They also passed a resolution stating they are against any bill preventing local governments from providing information services to its residents.
»www.wilsonnc.org/ResolutionOppos···grb).pdf
I'm glad to see some of the things they state in the resolution are factually based and not blindly pro-business. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to Dogfather
Re: More internet speedometer nonsense
A psychologist says everyone is crazy. A chiropractor thinks everyone has bad posture. A network guy thinks everyone has slow speeds. Megabit networks aren't really the slowdown for a lot of businesses. |
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Shamayim
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1 edit | Well he's right, of course
Does anyone here (except 56K luddites) think the future is in mb? |
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kingofdsl
join:2002-12-11
Afton, OK | reply to Matt
Re: Greensboro and Guilford County
My god man he is insane.
Many of us Americans are paying $50+ for unsteady 1meg or less service. Imagine what it will cost for unsteady 1 gig service? $500 a month? What does he think, that we can print our own money? |
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gaforces
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join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Www2
The university's and research facility's have been playing with those fast speeds for long enough, time for them to move on to Www3 and kick down some bandwidth. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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Re: Well he's right, of course
All technology is temporary. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
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Re: More internet speedometer nonsense
Yep and who will ever need more that 640K?
People who do not think ahead are what is screwing things up on a regular basis. When these entities install this stuff they are going to have to live with it for the next twenty years. If you look at the rate bandwidth has exploded in just the last five years you will see why thinking in gigs is the the only reasonable way to go.
Video conferencing is already becoming a big deal and is not likely to go away. Before anyone says not for in the same city, think again. A lot of people do not have the time to be running around town for meetings any more, but they still need to be able to read the visual cues people give off to evaluate what is actually going on. It also simplifies setting up meetings with short notice.
Video is also beginning to be used in many maintenance departments, so the people who can evaluate a problem do not have to be running all over the place. Experienced personnel can often just glance at a situation and immediately see the problem. They can then tell the less experienced to just replace the X. Saves time, saves money. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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| That's fine but even high resolution AV doesn't consume more than a couple megabits.
Businesses invest in their needs today and for the short term future for good reason. Imagine if a hotel manager shelled outtens of thousands of dollars in the early 80s in order to get every room it's own Betamax?
Investing in tech is fine... but don't outlay so much cash on a product that you can not upgrade eventually. As is a lot of fiber or Cat5e can be moved from Mbit equipment to GigE as the need arises. |
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home | reply to Shamayim
Re: Well he's right, of course
Sure, 1000mbit, 10000mbit. I'd want those speeds immediately.
Give me all of your mb. |
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Dogfather
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2 edits | reply to Lazlow
Re: More internet speedometer nonsense
Demand precedes supply, not the other way around. If Mr. INet Speedo wants to pay for supply that there isn't demand for, more power to him. I don't see him breaking out his wallet to fund this multi-multi-multi-multi-billion dollar deployment that won't sell. Even the latest multi-billion dollar deployment technologies can't do what he is demanding. FiOS certainly can't. Hell, I can have 2 gigabit computers sitting next to each other and they won't pass data at gigabit speed. Residential gigabit deployment in the current economy combined with a total lack of any demand is beyond insane.
And he wants cities that can't even afford basic needs like education funding and healthcare to do this? Is he unaware of the financial position of the vast majority of city and county seats?
It's totally unrealistic and at the current time, utterly impossible. But this type of nonsense gets what he's really looking for and that is attention. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
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bogey
The point is that 99% of the cities that do something like this get to do it once about every twenty years. No matter what they install they will be using it for twenty years. So they can install a slow system and be using it for the next twenty years or they can install a fast system and be using it for the next twenty years. Either way they will be using whatever they install for twenty years.
Cargidyne
10gigbit connections are fairly common in many environments (business) and yes they pass data at that kind of speed.
As far as I can tell he was not talking about residendtial gigabit he was talking about business gigabit. Most cities have there own network to connect all the city offices.
Yes, almost everyone is aware of how tight moeny is. That is why it is so important not to waste resources on limited technology. Here is a simple example: A town is growing at a good clip. They have a new section going in. They need to run a water line to that section. Now they could run a 6inch main and that would meet the need for the next five years. But since they know the town is growing they install a 12inch main instead. Cities do this every day. The reason they do not put the 6inch main in is that they know that they will just have to dig it up in 5 years and replace it with a 12inch main. So in the long run it is far cheaper to install the 12inch main the first time. Tranfering data is the exact same story. We know how much we are using today, we have a good idea about the rate of growth, we know we cannot afford to do it twice, so what do we install? |
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espaeth
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Serial ATA hard drives top out at 35-40MB/sec in IO; that's 280-320mbps. Even if you had GigE access to your home, the average user couldn't push that kind of IO unless they had a hardware RAID10 array using SCSI drives.
What application is he proposing that would require GigE access to the home? |
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protox
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West Lafayette, IN | In 20 years we'll be using storage devices that far exceed the 35-40MB/sec SATA gives us today. |
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espaeth
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| said by protox  :In 20 years we'll be using storage devices that far exceed the 35-40MB/sec SATA gives us today. In 20 years it will also be significantly cheaper to deliver GigE access to the home, provided that's still the access method of choice. That's not a good reason to spend an insane amount of money to deliver GigE edge connectivity today. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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Re: More internet speedometer nonsense
But the thing is, except for the equipment at the end, where are they "wasting" money? They could buy the affordable equipment now and then in ten years as the need progresses and the technology matures, they can cut over to a higher rate. If they lay the fiber to interconnect everyone across a DS3, then why can't they use that same interconnect a few years later to up the speed?
That's all I'm saying, the physical layer is all they need fret about. Once they've laid the foundation then let the economies of scale sink in. |
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Dogfather
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1 edit | reply to Lazlow
10Gb connections are extraordinarily rare, even in business environments. Other than ISPs, only the largest data intensive corporations would purchase such horsepower and that's only because they're handling tens of thousands of employees or doing hugely intensive work like credit card processing.
That's a far cry from a family of 4 with 2, possibly 3 or 4 HDTVs. We know what the video standards will be for the next 20+ years and we know that video is the most bandwidth intensive app there is aside from software sales. And no software sales is worth that type of investment.
Residential 1Gb service is BEYOND overkill, both today and decades from now.
To deploy now would be extremely expensive and would involve today's technology with no possibility of return on their investment in a reasonable time. If 1Gb service was ever in demand it would be MANY decades from now and by then even more advanced technologies would exist making 1Gb deployment faster and cheaper, perhaps even wireless.
It's the same reason few people buy 8 core xeon machines with quad SLI. Why spend 10X the money today when you don't need to. You wait to buy technology until the time you actually need it or are close to needing it and only then you are getting the best value from your investment.
Why the internet speedo guy can't grasp this fundamental concept is a mystery which is why I think he doesn't actually believe a word he says. Everything about it is so obviously wrong that one would could say what he does with a straight face. |
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guardfrog
join:2004-08-27
Dallas, TX | Of course, Carlini COULD...
Start up his own networking company and offer the kinds of services he "begs" other companies to deploy.
But why should he bother if he can make money in "advisory positions" without actually doing anything?
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spie34
Hmm
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join:2004-01-06
Boise, ID
| Sonet Ring would be nice
A Sonet Ring for Boise would be nice. I mean, I send an email to another person here that is local and the email is sent to seattle and back.
Boise really should be looking at getting something like this in place to route local traffic here rather than all over the place to end up back to here. |
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Done_Posting
Shoot to kill
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Toledo, OH
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| Are you serious? Is Boise really that behind the times that they don't have SONET anywhere in the city? Please tell me they aren't running some kind of silly copper DS3 infrastructure there...
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