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Camden, TN | said by Dude:Whoever opens their format to PORN will win. I'm sorry but it's the damn truth this isn't the 1980's. most peole get their porn from the internet. Porn will have NO factor in this war. | |
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Smut is free online nowadays. No need to necessarily buy it.
If there was no internet, you may have been right. | |
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kudos:3 | People are saying HD-DVD is dead already.. Blu-Ray is going to win. Based on what?
What many people OFTEN forget is that the U.S. isn't the leader on much of this stuff in the first place! The real decisions WILL be won over-seas and not in the U.S., necessarily.
There is far more going on in other countries to sway decisions on which format will prevail and to be honest, I say they both will, for quite some time.
There area reasons on both sides why both will survive AND why both sides could lose, BUT, we're NOWHERE near the golden answer - not by a long shot. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Porn said by fiberguy:People are saying HD-DVD is dead already.. Blu-Ray is going to win. Based on what? What many people OFTEN forget is that the U.S. isn't the leader on much of this stuff in the first place! The real decisions WILL be won over-seas and not in the U.S., necessarily. There is far more going on in other countries to sway decisions on which format will prevail and to be honest, I say they both will, for quite some time. There area reasons on both sides why both will survive AND why both sides could lose, BUT, we're NOWHERE near the golden answer - not by a long shot. Well considering in Japan and Europe blu-ray has been overwhelmingly favored I'd say HD-DVD is dead. | |
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According to a Computerworld story, the week after Warner's announcement, sales of HD DVD players dropped to 1,758, down from 14,558 players the week before. In contrast, consumers bought 21,770 Blu-ray Disc players, up from 15,257 the previous week.
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kudos:3 | Re: Porn Ok, let's analyze the story for a moment since these story jockeys don't elaborate much.
Look at when the time period was.. right after Christmas? Of course they are going to drop. Measure a drop in anything in January and February is STUPID.
Second, what's also giving Blu-Ray a push in numbers is that they count PS3 players as units sold. That's a weak number as many people buy the PS3 for gaming and not necessarily blu-ray capabilities as where an Xbox HD-DVD sidecar IS actually counted as an HD DVD player unit sold because you specifically have to purchase one to use it as an HD player.
What some people don't realize is that this so-called 'war' has a LOT of false variables being used to dictate the war. For the first time in my life, I will use the term FUD and loudly in this case. This is just as much a propaganda war being fought as it is a realistic war between makers.
It's easy to sit back and skim-analyze this battle on the top when it's easy to leave out important factors. There is also the EU which is still learning towards HD-DVD. The smaller studios there are seeing the over-burdening cost of producing a Blu-Ray and favoring the HD DVD format. There is also the fact that HD-DVD is non-region specific. That's just a few reasons alone.
This is not really a war as so much as it is a fan-boi rah rah cheer going on.
Many of the arguments I have heard so far here aren't fact based; rather they are "My team/side is going to win" based.
This kind of battle is not fought on a week to week basis. The average un-sophisticated consumer, which makes up the bulk, most likely doesn't keep up with the studios who are and aren't on either side. MOST consumers will shop on price. The "average consumer" hasn't even jumped in the game yet.. the only real players in the game right now are the early adopters still. The sales over Christmas were boosted by cheaper HD DVD players and gift buyers looking for a deal.
It's WAY to soon to see who is going to win and isn't. I still say that it's going to be a LONG road ahead before anything is decided, if at all. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Porn If you reread the post you responded to, you'll see that while HD DVD standalone sales drastically dropped after the Warner announcement on 1/4, Blu-ray standalone sales actually INCREASED. So your argument already started off being incorrect.
Second, the numbers quoted DO NOT include PS3 sales. The quote said Blu-ray disc player sales increased about 5k to 21,770. Sony sold over 50,000 PS3s during that same period, so if they included PS3 numbers, then the total would be over 70,000 Blu-ray players. Therefore, it's obvious that number only counts standalone players.
Finally, you say that this battle is not fought on a week to week basis, so you're obviously not aware that Blu-ray titles have outsold HD DVD titles for ALL 52 weeks of 2007, and every week to date, in 2008. Before the Warner announcement, Blu-ray to HD DVD titles sold averaged from 3:2 to 2:1, respectively. Following Warner's announcement, that ratio jumped to 4:1. Yes, price is a factor, but not when the competition has little content. The average unsophisticated consumer may not care about studio support, but they can definitely see the disparity in available titles at their local Best Buy. Shelf space at retailers have shifted to around 3:1 to 4:1 in favor of Blu-ray, with some retailers like Circuit City dropping HD DVD altogether.
Next time, do a little research before providing your "analysis" of these "story jockeys". | |
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And apparently you have done little to no research yourself on the subject because if you had, you would have discovered that there are only TWO studios left that exclusively support the HD-DVD format: Universal and Paramount. EVERY OTHER STUDIO PRETTY MUCH EXCLUSIVELY SUPPORTS THE BLU-RAY FORMAT NOW. | |
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Anyway, here's a couple of links to satisfy your request.
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Also, I highly doubt YOUR anecdotal evidence that Target and Best Buy have equal shelf space for Blu-ray and HD DVD. Even in the unlikely scenario that each store actually had equal shelf space for the movies, alone, there's no denying that there is more Blu-ray hardware than HD DVD, since Toshiba is virtually the ONLY manufacturer of HD DVD standalones in major stores. | |
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Those links are either old news, don't support your argument, or are other's opinions. Look, I've been on the East coast, the West coast, and the Upper Midwest this week, and not one store ( Best Buy or Circuit City) that went to has gotten rid of its HD DVD titles. Yes, I went to a couple in each state during free time.
I wasn't trying to argue with your post. The part I disagree with is that there is NOT a disparity in available titles between Blu and HD DVD in Best Buy OR Circuit City currently. There isn't one TODAY, or LAST WEEK in California, Wisconsin, or our lovely nation's capital. Take that for what it's worth. It may happen next week, but Joe6 Pack doesn't see a disparity TODAY. You're saying that they are and that is WRONG. That's MY ONLY point. Oh and try not to be such a "pompous jerk" on here. Just because you're basically anonymous doesn't give you the right to be rude to others!
BTW, I didn't mention Target in my response. They have always carried more titles in Blu than HD DVD. What's new about that "evidence" in your little links? | |
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There are only two mentions of HD DVD. One is Toshiba's HIGH END HD DVD player (not the one Circuit City is selling for $149, the one for $399,) the other is the LG combo HD DVD/Blu-ray player. I do see Blu-ray all over the place, including "3 free Blu-ray movies with purchase of any 1080p television", not "3 free high definition movies", not "3 free HD DVD movies", Blu-ray. And not just Sony TVs.
They have half a page of Blu-ray movies, and not a single HD DVD movie pictured. (The title isn't even "Blu-ray movies", it's "great movies on high-definition".)
Best Buy isn't snubbing HD DVD quite yet, though. HD DVD and Blu-ray appear to have equal billing in their newspaper ad. | |
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kudos:3 | said by Trollhawk:If you reread the post you responded to, you'll see that while HD DVD standalone sales drastically dropped after the Warner announcement on 1/4, Blu-ray standalone sales actually INCREASED. So your argument already started off being incorrect. Are you kidding me with this?
My point remains! No matter WHAT Warner said, look at WHEN they said it and look at what TRADITIONALLY happens in that time period. Care to apply FUD yet?
It's clear that many people here do not know how to properly analyze economics of things..
According to people on this site, Vonage, and other VoIP carries were dead many many many months ago too.
I'm very aware of what's going on - and no, it's not fought on a week to week basis... except by people like you. Sorry to say, but that's true. Numbers are only generally generated quarterly, or even cared about quarterly. | |
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"Look at when the time period was.. right after Christmas? Of course they are going to drop. Measure a drop in anything in January and February is STUPID.
Second, what's also giving Blu-Ray a push in numbers is that they count PS3 players as units sold."
Ok, let's assume that "of course they are going to drop" is correct. Why didn't the Blu-ray sales also drop during the same period? Shouldn't they have "of course" dropped? Instead they increased. And again, these are standalaone player sales, PS3's were *not* included in the numbers. | |
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| | | said by Dude:Whoever opens their format to PORN will win. I'm sorry but it's the damn truth Besides...have you actually seen Porn in high def? Those closeups are like a horror flick | |
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Ken Graffeo HAS to support HD DVD still because he towed the line so hard these past two years he simply can not back away from the product. It's a stubborness, not one of good business sense. | |
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kudos:12 | Re: HD DVD has been betamaxed said by bogey780:Retailers, producers, professionals and consumers have spoken. No one sees HD DVD making it. Ken Graffeo HAS to support HD DVD still because he towed the line so hard these past two years he simply can not back away from the product. It's a stubborness, not one of good business sense. He can't back away because Universal signed an agreement with Toshiba. They have to support it until 2009 or until Toshiba declares it "non-viable".
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Colorado Springs, CO | Re: HD DVD has been betamaxed How hard is it to put the movie on a different format.
I do not know what the deal is with BRD vs HD-DVD.
HD DVD has a value factor. Pay 30 dollars for a dual format disc that works in normal dvd players and HD-DVD players.
With BRD you have to buy the same program twice. Plus you can not rip it down for personal media players. Same for HD DVD but hey you get the regular DVD which is fine for the size of the picture.
I'd rather pay 30 dollars than 30 dollars plus another 15 for the dvd version so I can put it on my media players. | |
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Warren, MI | Re: HD DVD has been betamaxed Why would you set it on anything other then in it's case or in a player? Don't you know how to handle your discs?
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Anchorage, AK | Re: HD DVD has been betamaxed Occasionally I'll set a disc down upside down while moving discs around. Also, when handing a disc to somebody, it's more difficult when they are dual-sided.
For the record, all of my discs are scratch-free, dual-sided or not.
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Brooklyn, NY | said by bogey780:Retailers, producers, professionals and consumers have spoken. No one sees HD DVD making it. Ken Graffeo HAS to support HD DVD still because he towed the line so hard these past two years he simply can not back away from the product. It's a stubborness, not one of good business sense. You're not making any sense - WTF are you talking about? Toshiba alone sold 1M+ player.
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Santa Cruz, CA | Both formats are immature I'm sticking with DVD till they both work out the bugs, finish implementing features, and quit the exclusive format contracts.
Even now both of them have limited selection of movies.
They both look to be in BETA still, burners on both formats are expensive and not fully implementing all features.
Early adopters face having to re-buy hardware that wont be upgradeable by a firmware update to play the newest movies released by the studio's.
Furthermore, studios splitting into exclusive formats forces consumers who wish to view the newest content to buy both formats.
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| | | Re: Is that the same people who like Dog the Bounty Hunter ?? 20,000 people is nothing. While sure there are other people that want it to survive too; you still need over a million on a petition for companies to change their minds again. Otherwise the money isn't there. | |
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| Re: Is that the same people who like Dog the Bounty Hunter ?? Well there are already over 1 million HD DVD players sold, and I don't think that includes the XBOX360 add-ons or Laptops.
I am sure that 1 million+ installed customer base is not out there chanting DIE DIE DIE.
You don't have the 1 million signatures, but you do have 1 million+ people that have already voted with their wallet, and continue to do so.
The petition is moot, but the Toshiba HD-A3 has been the highest selling DVD player device at Amazon.com for several weeks now.
If there is continued demand for the players, there will continue to be demand for the discs as well.
If everyone is out there buying them up, what would be the rush??
IF this is a fire sale for something becoming obsolete, why the sudden rush to waste money purchasing it???
Figure that the whole HD disc market, HD DVD and Blu-Ray together amount for less than 3% of DVD sales overall, this is a still an emerging market, it took standard DVD's quite a while to catch on over VHS tape, but the demand was driven by dropping player prices, not the technology.
VHS tape did not go away with a single press release, it co-existed with DVD for many years, and still isn't completely dead.
Thus far, HD DVD is the only format that had been able to keep at least 1 player in the sub $150 range, where Blu-Ray starts typically at the $399 PS3.
It is still a time to wait and see what happens, there is no mass exodus from regular DVD's to Blu-Ray, so Blu-Ray itself is still a dead format until DVD goes away.
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Even Warner Bros is still releasing HD-DVD's until June, and there is enough shelf stock out there to keep their current titles available for probably another year.
That is unless another studio changes their mind on what format they want to support.
If HD DVD players continue to sell, and/or Microsoft delivers an HD DVD XBOX 360, Blu-Ray sales could be sagging going into the next year.
Blu-Ray has a distinct disadvantage to HD DVD, as the manufacturing process for Blu-Ray is different than HD DVD,
where manufacturing lines built to make regular DVD's can also make HD-DVD's with minor re-tooling, but Blu-Ray is a new process, and there are only a limited number of manufacturing facilities at this time.
If Blu-Ray demand swamps the supply of discs, movie studios may go elsewhere to find a format that can keep up with the demand.
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kudos:1 | how Sony could kill HD-DVD once and for all...
create a rebate program of $100-$200
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Anchorage, AK | Re: DivX You mean DIVX I assume. DivX and DIVX are not the same thing.
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Warren, MI | Re: DivX said by SRFireside:Either way Circuit City was really on the crazy path thinking people would actually buy a DVD that they would have to keep paying on to watch over and over. But isn't that what people seem to want now with digital downloads? You pay a small amount for it, download it, get 24 hours to watch it, then have to pay again if you want to watch it again at a later date. Half of the arguments against both Blu-ray and HD-DVD are from people who want to "rent" their movies much like how DIVX worked.
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Seriously I see a sizeable difference from buying a physical hard copy DVD at $10 and then having to pay regularly to watch a DVD that you physically purchased. At least with streaming or download you pay a low rental fee on something you don't have to physically keep up with if you ever want to rent again.
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Camden, TN | Re: Time to give up the fight No kidding. Toshiba is already selling players at aloss. what good is selling then for $99 going to do? They will just be losing more money and it won't do ONE thing to save HD-DVD.
Most people still won't by a stand alone player in EITHER format until once is offically declared dead. Blu-ray has the advantage that every week 75,000-100,000 PS3s get sold in the US and that means 75,000-100,000 more blu-ray players in homes. Maybe at first 95% of the people aren't even thinking about the movie playing aspect of it, but once it's in the home and they see blu-ray movies on sale or for rent in the video store and they try it well then of course it's going to take off. How is HD-DVD going to compete with that? | |
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Palo Alto, CA | said by number_one:Give it up HD DVD fans. For once can we have everyone unite behind ONE standard? I understand there has to be multiple contenders out there at first, but at this point it is clear that Blu-Ray is not going to die. Given this fact, HD DVD fans should go ahead and put their support behind Blu-Ray so we can avoid the technical hurdles, higher prices, and general consumer confusion that is destined to happen with another "multiple standard" out there. If we unite behind Blu-Ray now, we will set the stage for cheaper manufacturing, faster price reduction, and higher consumer adoption rates. The time for arguing which standard is better has passed... Using this logic, hd-dvd is the standard to get behind because all its features were ready to go from the start. As it currently stands, there are only 2 BR players that support the first iteration of BR's interactive features, Panasonic's latest unit and the PS3. None of the previously released BR players will be able to support profile 1.1, ever. And there's no guaranty the Panasonic unit will support profile 2.0, which will require 1GB of onboard memory for downloadable content. So what you have right now is 85% of available BR players are seriously obsolete on the shelf. All the hd-dvd players released, including the hd-dvd add on for the 360, already support interactive and downloadable content.
I'm not really biased to one side or the other. I own both a PS3 and a 360 w/ hd-dvd add-on, and I probably have more BR movies than hd, but I'm rational enough to know that hd-dvd is the better tech. BR is coming out ahead because not only does Sony itself have all its own movies studios behind the format and a BR based game system, its also throwing money at the other studios by the truck load, begging them to support BR. | |
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Niagara Falls, ON | Sony involvement? Forget it. Has anyone stopped to consider how everything Sony ever involves themselves in turns to shit? Betamax, Minidisc, etc? Sony always prices themselves out of the market or has such draconian license requirements that no one wants to be involved. Hell, even the PS3 is a flop, they killed that platform on their own with their stupidity, too.
Simply put, nothing is dead yet. Sony still has plenty of time to shoot themselves in the foot and piss everyone off to the point where they go flocking to HD-DVD. I remember the days when people swore by Betamax and how VHS was a dead technology. Right. How many of you have actually ever even owned a Beta VCR, eh? Minidisc "popularity" proves that Japanese numbers mean absolutely nothing on a global scale. Everyone screaming the death of HD-DVD are seriously jumping the gun and were either too young or just too dumb to remember all the bullshit Sony has pulled over the last 20-30 years.
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| What format war? Blu-Ray Consortium is pretty slick, They had Time Warner time their annoucement during CES after their big payout. Than Blu-Ray ran heavy promotion afterwards to make the sales numbers seem like everybody is flocking to Blu. Universal and Paramount are holding out for a big payout like Time Warner; in the end the consumer will lose with higher prices for players.
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | HD-DVD vs. Blu ray Unlike the betamax, the INFERIOR product isn't making it this time around.
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| JakCrow
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu ray said by dvd536:Unlike the betamax, the INFERIOR product isn't making it this time around. hd-dvd is the superior product actually. | |
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| | | | Re: HD-DVD vs. Blu ray HD is not superior. Just different. Both formats are identical in visual and audio quality. Blu-Ray has region coding, but HD-DVD has 'features' like embedded commercials. Blu-Ray is more expensive to produce (currently), but HD-DVD sells players of varying video quality. BOTH have DRM (don't let the hype fool you).
Add to that Blu-Ray has more storage space and has an enhanced scratch resistant coating AND has more studios supporting the format. Feel free to nit pick whatever I left out, but in the end neither format is a clearly superior format. | |
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Canada | both are absolete both formats are obsolete... two words... flash drive
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| HD DVD Wars Seems like the 20,000 people that have a petition up are the poor schmucks that shelled out $180 for the add on HDDVD player for their XBOX 360's. Maybe they should have stopped bashing Sony and their PS3 for the price and jumped on board. I'm sure their add on HDDVD drives will look good as a book end. I'll enjoy my blu-ray player/PS3 gaming system. Enjoy the Red Ring of Death. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: HD DVD Wars In that case.. everyone should jump on board with Microsoft and dump apple. People should drop flimsy DSL and co on board with Cable. Shall I go on?
Either way.. and no matter what, HD DVD players will not die for a long time. Even if Blu-Ray buys its way into the consumer with these high prices and bribes and pay off to the studios, the HD DVD player will remain in a niche market for much time to come which leaves the door open for studios to pull leverage. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | and the normal DVD format still has atleast 8 years left in it maybe more. if you look how long VHS held on.
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| kamm
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Brooklyn, NY | said by jspeeney011480 :
Seems like the 20,000 people that have a petition up are the poor schmucks that shelled out $180 for the add on HDDVD player for their XBOX 360's. Maybe they should have stopped bashing Sony and their PS3 for the price and jumped on board. I'm sure their add on HDDVD drives will look good as a book end. I'll enjoy my blu-ray player/PS3 gaming system. Enjoy the Red Ring of Death.
ROFL, what a pathetic troll you are - classic clueless, totally ignorant crap...
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| | Blu-Ray wins? ORLY »slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=431···22191932
As an insider I can attest to the fact that the online world has been nailed by one of the most successful viral marketing campaigns ever waged in a digital format war. An unnamed company (or three) got together before the recent announcement by Warner Bros in the weeks before CES to orchestrate this domino effect. The game plan was, in a nutshell, that Warner Bros would announce their support for Blu-Ray (even though they will continue to make HD-DVD for some time) and their subsidiaries would follow closely with announcements. Then it was revealed that Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment and Twentieth Century-Fox Home Entertainment would reaffirm their commitment to the format. This information was fed into the biggest gadget blogs with the underlying message that the war is over. This was parroted near verbatim by submissions to all of the major technology and social bookmarking sites. Major audio video forums had been primed with posters working for the viral marketing firms employed to pull this off. Overnight every major site on the internet along with mainstream media was singing the Blu-Ray song. To make sure the statistics following CES would confirm the "Blu-Ray has won" story manufacturers were heavily discounting Blu-Ray players. This week, much to no ones surprise, this came true.
So why am I sharing this? I am firmly in the Blu-Ray camp but the techniques employed in this war have been rather unethical. Which blog or news agency will be the first to hunt down the facts in this story to confirm my story?
Don't buy it? Then read this article on techcrunch.com which describes the same techniques used to market viral videos. | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Blu-Ray wins? ORLY said by RalphieWiggam :» slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=431···22191932As an insider I can attest to the fact that the online world has been nailed by one of the most successful viral marketing campaigns ever waged in a digital format war. An unnamed company (or three) got together before the recent announcement by Warner Bros in the weeks before CES to orchestrate this domino effect. The game plan was, in a nutshell, that Warner Bros would announce their support for Blu-Ray (even though they will continue to make HD-DVD for some time) and their subsidiaries would follow closely with announcements. Then it was revealed that Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment and Twentieth Century-Fox Home Entertainment would reaffirm their commitment to the format. This information was fed into the biggest gadget blogs with the underlying message that the war is over. This was parroted near verbatim by submissions to all of the major technology and social bookmarking sites. Major audio video forums had been primed with posters working for the viral marketing firms employed to pull this off. Overnight every major site on the internet along with mainstream media was singing the Blu-Ray song. To make sure the statistics following CES would confirm the "Blu-Ray has won" story manufacturers were heavily discounting Blu-Ray players. This week, much to no ones surprise, this came true.
So why am I sharing this? I am firmly in the Blu-Ray camp but the techniques employed in this war have been rather unethical. Which blog or news agency will be the first to hunt down the facts in this story to confirm my story?
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| | | | Re: Blu-Ray wins? ORLY Considering that any person who was into high quality AV equipment saw the outright viral attempts by HD DVD supporters including outright lies and claims that never panned out it's amusing to see an obvious HD DVD supporter pretending to be a Blu-ray insider claiming that Blu-ray was unethical. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | tech wars always do unethical things on all sides in all camps.
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| | Remember the format war during the 80's Anybody remember the Sony Betamax vs the JVC VHS format war? Here we are all over again going at it again wih yet another format war. | |
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join:1999-12-20
Arlington, TX | HD DVD meets BetaMAX ... in Media Format Hell
... many are insisting that the wars aren’t over and that HD DVD is anything but dead.
That was said about Beta, on more than one occasion. A deal with porn-pimps couldn't save it, now. | |
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| 70 percent of movie catalog in favor of blueray. By the reports i've read, 70 percent of movie catalogs are owned by the companies that are either blu ray, or recently announced they were going bluray.
HD DVD can fight as long as they want, but when warners stops putting out their movies on hd dvd, and the pickings get slim on hd dvd, people are going to go bluray.
HD DVD would have to pull a bluray supporter back, they've got to have movies, to sell the format, and if 70 percent are coming out on the other format, its not rocket scientist.
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: 70 percent of movie catalog in favor of blueray. said by zod5000:By the reports i've read, 70 percent of movie catalogs are owned by the companies that are either blu ray, or recently announced they were going bluray. HD DVD can fight as long as they want, but when warners stops putting out their movies on hd dvd, and the pickings get slim on hd dvd, people are going to go bluray. HD DVD would have to pull a bluray supporter back, they've got to have movies, to sell the format, and if 70 percent are coming out on the other format, its not rocket scientist. Regards of which format is better, people are going to want to buy their favorite movies on the player they buy. Releases for both formats:
»hddvd.highdefdigest.com/released···cal.html
»bluray.highdefdigest.com/release···cal.html
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Is that the same people who like Dog the Bounty Hunter ??
