gaforces
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The public bonds seem to work, people can invest in their own and their family's future.
If a city expects to grow, which most will because of population expansion, they need to have infrastructure developed to support that.
By the time I'm able to retire, I hope to be able to move away from city's and still be able to get a good connection.
City's are getting too crowded. |
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From the people at ILSR( »www.ilsr.org/ ), the environmental fringe group, we get a plan that is determined to throw good money after bad. After cities have failed, for the most part, to rollout muni-fi projects, the solution ILSR comes up with is to tie that in to a muni-fiber project as well. Hey, if at first you don't succeed, try and try again. Unfortunately, ILSR hasn't found a project yet that didn't involve spending more and more taxpayer money by local government.
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jebba2005
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Skimmed the article, is the author a member here? |
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| said by jebba2005  :Skimmed the article, is the author a member here? Don't see his name in a search. But ILSR, where he works, is mentioned twice on front page news items:
»Morning Broadband Bytes
Becca Vargo Daggett of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance writes....'ILSR believes that only public ownership of a city’s information infrastructure can guarantee citizens a controlling voice in the design and operation of those systems.'” »Morning Broadband Bytes
According to a new report, the Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) argues that public ownership of municipal wireline and wireless broadband access infrastructure can generate significant return for localities in terms of payback and revenue generation to pay for other municipal services.
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Mactron
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said by gaforces :By the time I'm able to retire, I hope to be able to move away from city's and still be able to get a good connection.
City's are getting too crowded. Santa Cruz is a Big City ?.. 
Sure wish the Lompoc, Ca. Muni had worked out better.  
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kingofdsl
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Afton, OK | reply to gaforces
All small towns should be bulldozed.
It increases our reliance on foriegn oil. |
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gaforces
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It's turning into urban sprawl, the County has jurisdiction over several city's.
If you go 2 miles east from Home Depot/Best Buy, you get dial-up.
ATT/Pacbell along with the city/county and the university UCSC put fiber along most the main streets in the late 80's. My street has fiber. Best I can get off it is 5000/500 plus overhead ADSL. |
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Re: Solution to failing Muni-Fi - MORE government & Muni-fiber
Nice buzzwords. Amazing how a government entity would throw the taxpayer money at a problem all the time. It's almost like all their money is taxpayer money... oh that's right, it is for the most part. I really hope you limit your daily flushes so you can save some taxpayer money. |
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said by TKJunkMail :... the environmental fringe group... indeed. everyone knows broadband nirvana comes from letting the incumbents make all the decisions. |
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said by firephoto :Nice buzzwords. Amazing how a government entity would throw the taxpayer money at a problem all the time. It's almost like all their money is taxpayer money... oh that's right, it is for the most part. I really hope you limit your daily flushes so you can save some taxpayer money. No flushes until something SOLID to flush.
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gaforces
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Most local governments don't have the expertise or ability to run a Muni-Fi network system. They are tied in red tape and a city/govt work mentality.
The Bureaucracy would muck it up very well, they are good at wasting taxpayer money. Thats what they do.
Muni-Fi network systems need to be run by network professionals who can make it pay for itself and it's investors. Not some city slickers getting a city pension and full benefits on the taxpayers dime.
Some time after Windows 98 came out I was at a city office talking to one of their workers and she was having trouble booting the network. They were using 5.25 floppy's to boot the Netware network into DOS  I had to remind her to put the floppy in the machine ... Monochrome monitors!
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Mactron
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said by gaforces : Best I can get off it is 5000/500 plus overhead ADSL. Ah, your breaking my heart, poor you...
Oh well, you do have the "Banana Slugs" after all, it's raining and they should be out. 
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gaforces
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1 edit | Those things gross me out, good thing they are usually farther inland They don't like the ocean. |
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batageek
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Re: Solution to failing Muni-Fi - MORE government & Muni-fiber
seems to me that most of the failing munifi projects are those that aren't muni at all - the earthlinks, at&t's, metrofi's etc.
These aren't muni builds - these are private sector builds in a municipality.
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ilsr_chris
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I check in now and again to stay on top of everything. |
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ilsr_chris
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Re: Solution to failing Muni-Fi - MORE government & Muni-fiber
We haven't found a project that didn't involve spending more and more taxpayer money by the local gov? Guess you haven't been stalking me.
My first ILSR report detailed one such build: Burlington, Vermont. It is listed on our site at »www.newrules.org/info/bt.html
In fact, as I study these things, I have found that few of these builds never touch taxpayer money. They are built with revenue bonds or lease arrangements. Some have needed taxpayer money and yet I have yet to find a community that really wants to go back to an incumbent de facto monopoly.
They like having tech support from their town that answers they questions. They like faster speeds at lower prices. They like having a comparative advantage to all the places that rely on incumbents for their shared cable systems.
This whole "taxpayer money" argument is an absurd red herring as so few systems ever need it. And those that do need it are still saving consumers and businesses a lot of money by introducing stiff competition and offering faster connections.
Further, we still have an amazing number of people who cannot get any form of broadband. To suggest they should merely wait until some private company deigns to serve them is crazy. |
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