gatorkramNeed for Speed Premium Member join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC |
Nice newsIt's great to see all this news about higher speeds over copper.
The thing that sucks of course, is if, like myself, you are stuck in a non-competitive area, where it doesn't really matter what speeds they could be offering. |
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Additional Plant Req'dThe attached links seem to indicate that RTs will be req'd for this, so it will take a significant effort to deploy this in the wild. This might be appealing to someone like Quest, who has no other next-gen plant improvements planned, and maybe some smaller ILECs. However, I don't see the bigger ILECs being able to use this.
Does anyone know if this is supposed to work over single pairs, or is bonding necessary? |
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WeSRT4 join:2000-11-20 Mobile, AL |
WeSRT4
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2008-Jan-29 1:52 pm
Impressive for copper, but....Just wait until companies start researching how to push fiber to new limits via new standards. Verizon is doing the right thing by deploying FTTH. In the future Verizon will profit while the Empire will be forced to continue to build out yet again. |
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tobyTroy Mcclure join:2001-11-13 Seattle, WA |
toby
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2008-Jan-29 2:00 pm
Qwest must about these reportsQwest must about these reports, as it doesn't matter what speed you can get from the DSLAM if they don't have more than a couple of T1s to them. |
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Ream0 to WeSRT4
Anon
2008-Jan-29 2:09 pm
to WeSRT4
Re: Impressive for copper, but.... Verizon isn't doing squat to deliver broadband in my area. I've been waiting for DSL since 1997! As far as Verizons future,They'll go bankrupt before I get any broadband offerings.
Verizon is nothing more than a lame chicken shit phone company that can't ever service their existing infrastructure. |
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jmn1207 Premium Member join:2000-07-19 Sterling, VA |
to WeSRT4
said by WeSRT4:Just wait until companies start researching how to push fiber to new limits via new standards. Verizon is doing the right thing by deploying FTTH. In the future Verizon will profit while the Empire will be forced to continue to build out yet again. Start? They already have and do research as it has been around for quite some time and used extensively. It's only recently been made available directly to the homes. If we had the patience and wisdom to spend more money on a completely wireless solution, we would not have to rely on any cable for transmission. But we are years away from this level of advanced technology. Someday. |
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Re: Nice newsI would be glad to have something beside charter that will run over 700k down. I am too far out for anything faster. Maybe wimax will come (I can see a tower from my house) and leave in a good populated afluent area. FIOS will come though.. FIOS will come... only a town away. |
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Re: Impressive for copper, but....wait what made ma bell the people to root for? ITs obvious that eventuaslly they will be back to their own practices. Cable will switch to all fiber when its cheaper to do so . |
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hayabusa3303Over 200 mph Premium Member join:2005-06-29 Florence, SC |
to Ream0
said by Ream0 :
Verizon isn't doing squat to deliver broadband in my area. I've been waiting for DSL since 1997! As far as Verizons future,They'll go bankrupt before I get any broadband offerings.
Verizon is nothing more than a lame chicken shit phone company that can't ever service their existing infrastructure. verzion is doing better than ex bellsouth AT&t now. |
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GuspazGuspaz MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC |
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2008-Jan-29 2:30 pm
Not that big an improvementThis is nice, but it's not quite as big an improvement as they state, as they're understating the capabilities of existing technologies. ADSL2+ should do about 19mbit at 6000 feet, and their tech supposedly does 26mbit.
That's an improvement, yes, but they're claiming "existing technologies" do 15mbit at 5500 feet, when it's closer to 20mbit with ADSL2+ in reality. |
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Re: Additional Plant Req'dIf Bell can sprinkle ADSL2+ remote DSLAMs everywhere, why not? |
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Jim Kirk Premium Member join:2005-12-09 49985 |
Jim Kirk
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2008-Jan-29 2:33 pm
Is AT&T an investor?The company's draft Release 1.0 of the Internet Protocol Subscriber Line' specification calls for a semiconductor to drive data at fiber-like speeds over the existing copper telephone lines. ROFLMAO! Fiber-like speeds? Fiber can do those speeds on a BAD day. |
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TheGuvnor75
Anon
2008-Jan-29 2:33 pm
Cool but is it spectrally compatible with DSLsI don't believe this speed reflects a real world deployment since it is not standardized and not spectrally compatible with DSLs. If this technology is not spectrally compatible with T1.417 you can forget about it being deployed by any Telcos and/or co-locators. Maybe for intrabuilding networks but you know what happend to Cisco's LRE.... |
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Re: Additional Plant Req'dEverything needs RTs. It's the reason why Mesa cabinets have been in huge demand for a decade or so.
This will probably never fly for the telcos as they've already made their decision and the incremental increase may not justify it. |
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Re: Impressive for copper, but....Oh really now? Considering Bellsouth pushed more fiber out than Verizon did (they just stopped before the house) and had more remote solutions and DSL availability than just about anyone else...what makes you say that? |
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Re: Not that big an improvementPretty sure VDSL2 can blow the doors off of 26 megabits at that distance, too. |
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peddle elsewhereGo peddle these too little too late dsl solutions elsewhere.. maybe go back in time to 1996 where you might be a new technology hit. |
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301 Premium Member join:2005-01-03 |
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Re: Qwest must about these reportsQwest must [what] about these reports?
As Lewis Black once said, "verbs eluded him." |
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Re: peddle elsewhereHey, it's the new ISDN! |
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where's my copper spool?Maybe, just maybe, if I actually string a wire from my nearest CO to my house, and pull it nice and taut with a winch, I might get just under 5.5KF.
Nope. About 15KF too far, still. Thanks, though. |
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Copper Lives
Anon
2008-Jan-29 4:40 pm
Right On!There are plenty of places where fiber ain't gonna happen. Any technology that can really the push the envelope on the existing copper plant is welcome.
The real question is economic - whether the telcos will seize the opportunity, if there is enough opportunity, and sell the bandwidth at a price agreeable to consumers.
So far, with DSL, they've been fairly competitive, but I think that's mostly thanks to the cable-internet bankruptcies (writing off the $50B investment) and the line-sharing requirements that forced them to resell. With those off the table, I doubt telco will be motivated to price 40mbps for less than $100/month. |
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hayabusa3303Over 200 mph Premium Member join:2005-06-29 Florence, SC |
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Re: Impressive for copper, but....said by bogey7806:Oh really now? Considering Bellsouth pushed more fiber out than Verizon did (they just stopped before the house) and had more remote solutions and DSL availability than just about anyone else...what makes you say that? got links to prove it? |
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Bellsouth had over a million customers within a few hundred feet of fiber (FTTC) and a huge remote deployment schedule that put fiber within 3 miles of the bulk of their customers. They weren't shy about deploying the stuff. Only when Verizon did FiOS did they actually go beyond Bellsouth. |
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33591094 (banned)
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2008-Jan-29 6:57 pm
BFDWow - high speeds - who cares?
Why dangle these high speeds in front of us, then cap us from using the connection. I just have to laugh at these stories... |
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factchecker
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2008-Jan-29 7:42 pm
Might be worth evaluating...Providers might want to evaluate this new flavor of DSL, especially if it is IP native and removes ATM from the picture, thereby eliminating the cell tax. |
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dvd536as Mr. Pink as they come Premium Member join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ |
dvd536
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2008-Jan-29 9:57 pm
Upload!How about addressing upload? 896kbps is sooooo 1996! |
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DaneJasperSonic.Net Premium Member join:2001-08-20 Santa Rosa, CA |
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Re: Not that big an improvementWe've just gotten competitive ADSL2+ test loops up. Thread here: » First real world ADSL2+ test loop up-Dane |
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KearnstdSpace Elf Premium Member join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ |
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Re: Nice newseven in a competitive area, 5500 feet means this is a null devlopment imo. ive seen spools of wire with more then 5500 feet. |
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GuspazGuspaz MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC |
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Re: Not that big an improvementBell Canada rolled out ADSL2+ service to the general public a while ago, offering 7/1 and 16/1 tiers. Unfortunately, wholesalers (as the CRTC (our version of the FCC) requires them to share the DSLAMs) are not yet permitted to use ADSL2+ profiles, only g.dmt.
We're hopeful that the larger wholesalers will be able to offer ADSL2+ services some time this year. Providers that colocate their own DSLAMs in Bell's COs already are able to offer ADSL2+ services in very limited areas, but the only company with decent coverage has an incredibly bad reputation/service quality. |
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Re: Additional Plant Req'dAlso remember CLECs dont do RTs. So the only hope of this ever being installed anywhere is the ILEC, and if they haven't done ADSL2 by now, they sure wont do this. |
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