thevorpal
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Alexandria, VA | Why stop at 1.5 million
Seriously, why stop there? 1.5 Million dollars is already an absurd sum that is far beyond the damage of the initial 'crime'.
They might as well pursue 100 million while they are at it. |
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gateguy
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This will not go away until we the villagers gather our pitchforks and lit torches and go burn down the evil RIAA's castle.
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1 edit | CDs?
This seems to be in reference to physical CDs; I have to assume this is not about the common "music copying" that people do, but rather illegal counterfeit copies of albums being sold, or tracks included on compilation CDs without authorization. When profits are involved it's a much different animal.
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1 edit | Get rid of statutory damages!
except in criminal cases. Here's a radical idea, make the the RIAA prove actual damages in civil cases, otherwise known as justice! |
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NeoandGeo
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Go after those that sell and profit from pirating. Don't go after the people that are downloading, which is the same thing our parents did when they recorded a song from the radio for their listening leisure. |
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1 edit | Here is a list of Sponsors/Cosponsors of this bill
»thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z···279:@@@P
H.R.4279
Title: To enhance remedies for violations of intellectual property laws, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [D][MI-14] (introduced 12/5/2007)
Cosponsors:
Rep Berman, Howard L. [D][CA-28] - 12/5/2007
Rep Chabot, Steve [R][OH-1] - 12/5/2007
Rep Cohen, Steve [D][TN-9] - 12/5/2007
Rep Feeney, Tom [R][FL-24] - 12/5/2007
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [R][VA-6] - 12/5/2007
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [R][CA-49] - 12/5/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [D][TX-18] - 12/5/2007
Rep Keller, Ric [R][FL-8] - 12/5/2007
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [D][CA-29] - 12/5/2007
Rep Smith, Lamar [R][TX-21] - 12/5/2007
Rep Wexler, Robert [D][FL-19] - 12/6/2007 I doubt this will proceed as is. But if you want this defeated and one of these Congressmen represents you, contact them and let them know how you feel.
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| said by TKJunkMail  :» thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z···279:@@@PH.R.4279
Title: To enhance remedies for violations of intellectual property laws, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] (introduced 12/5/2007)
Cosponsors:
Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] - 12/5/2007
Rep Chabot, Steve [OH-1] - 12/5/2007
Rep Cohen, Steve [TN-9] - 12/5/2007
Rep Feeney, Tom [FL-24] - 12/5/2007
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 12/5/2007
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 12/5/2007
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 12/5/2007
Rep Keller, Ric [FL-8] - 12/5/2007
Rep Schiff, Adam B. [CA-29] - 12/5/2007
Rep Smith, Lamar [TX-21] - 12/5/2007
Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 12/6/2007 I doubt this will proceed as is. But if you want this defeated and one of these Congressmen represents you, contact them and let them know how you feel. Your first mistake is saying these people represent a citizen of the U.S., they do not.
They represent Corporations such as the RIAA. |
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| wow, just wow.
look how clearly defined:
"To enhance remedies for violations of intellectual property laws, and for other purposes"
other purposes? i guess there's no room for interpretation there...
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Re: Why stop at 1.5 million
I agree. They never really see these insane fees they're charging now (its more of a lawsuit settling scare tactic than anything), so...why can't RIAA get inventive and sue for...a gazillion? Or whatever.
RIAA should really nominate this guy to come up with their legal fees. |
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said by NeoandGeo :Go after those that sell and profit from pirating. Don't go after the people that are downloading, which is the same thing our parents did when they recorded a song from the radio for their listening leisure. What do you mean parents? I use to do that and it was decided in court that it was legal. The big thing back then was tape to tape recorders. Music industry did stop DAT. |
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Re: Why stop at 1.5 million
said by thevorpal :Seriously, why stop there? 1.5 Million dollars is already an absurd sum that is far beyond the damage of the initial 'crime'. They might as well pursue 100 million while they are at it. This just makes a forced settlement of $5,000-10,000 look reasonable. LOL. There is an evil purpose to this. |
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1 edit | edit: I've become a parrot to TKJunkmail!
In that case, I have nothing to say.
Oddly enough, publicknowledge.org took the time to strip the party identities from the news posting that they otherwise copied verbatim.
»judiciary.house.gov/newscenter.aspx?A=887
Here is the original opening line.
"House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI),
Ranking Member Lamar Smith (R-TX),
Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet and Intellectual Property Chairman Howard Berman (D-CA),
and Reps. Adam Schiff (D-CA),
Tom Feeney (R-FL),
Darrell Issa (R-CA),
Steve Chabot (R-OH),
Steve Cohen (D-TN),
Ric Keller (R-FL),
Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX),
Bob Goodlatte (R-VA),
and Robert Wexler (D-FL)
introduced the "Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property (“PRO IP”) Act of 2007" to combat what they say is an increasing problem."
Looks like a pretty even party split.
Anybody here in your district? If I can find the time, I'll amend this to include contact info for each of them.
I recommend letting them know your opinion as well as anyone in your area that might vote on it.
To the posters who support this bill, but won't even speak out against RIAA execs who have stolen billions from consumers:
How do you even live with yourself? Regarding the thing that has you supporting executive crime by omission and hammering end users; in that respect, you are a despicable person. That you won't speak to the issue is further evidence.
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edit:talk about your day late etc.....
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Re: Get rid of statutory damages!
said by Sammer :except in criminal cases. Here's a radical idea, make the the RIAA prove actual damages in civil cases, otherwise known as justice! That won't happen. And here is why - it costs too much money, time, & effort to go after millions of malefactors individually when the ACTUAL damages are small in each INDIVIDUAL case. But the damages are significant when grouped over all the violators. Think of this as the reverse side of a class action suit where millions sue 1 company.
So, the legislators set high STATUTORY damages, so that a huge swat in the forehead of a selected few is used to scare off the majority. Think of it as the same way the IRS goes after a very small percentage of taxpayers in order to keep the rest in line thru fear and intimidation.
Most law enforcement is based on the severity of consequences and the FEAR of getting caught - not on the likelihood of getting caught. If that wasn't the case, then we would need 1 cop for every 10 people instead of 1 for every 1000.
Here is the ACTUAL wording in the bill about statutory damages for copyright infringement:
SEC. 104. COMPUTATION OF STATUTORY DAMAGES IN COPYRIGHT CASES.
Section 504(c)(1) of title 17, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence and inserting the following: `A copyright owner is entitled to recover statutory damages for each copyrighted work sued upon that is found to be infringed. The court may make either one or multiple awards of statutory damages with respect to infringement of a compilation, or of works that were lawfully included in a compilation, or a derivative work and any preexisting works upon which it is based. In making a decision on the awarding of such damages, the court may consider any facts it finds relevant relating to the infringed works and the infringing conduct, including whether the infringed works are distinct works having independent economic value.'. Personally, I don't think they need this change in the statutory damages section. The statutory damages are already extremely high enough to achieve the objective of deterrence and intimidation.
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Re: Frankenstein's Monster
I'm thinking you either didn't read the book or completely misunderstood it. |
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Re: Here is a list of Sponsors/Cosponsors of this bill
Absolutely. Since when do companies get to call the shots in a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people"?
Maybe change it to "of the people, buy the politicians, and for themselves" and it would make more sense?
We need to stop corporate lobbying cold or the only citizenry left in this country will be corporate america.
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Re: Agenda upon agenda
said by Noah Vail :I recommend letting them know your opinion as well as anyone in your area that might vote on it. You can get all the ways to contact your(or the bills sponsors) here:
»www.visi.com/juan/congress/
All this bills sponsors are part of this subcommittee and their contact info can be found here:
»www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-b···y_courts
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I am going to copy each and every one of my 1450 CDs. Maybe two or three copies each.
That should yield some good cash for the RIAA.
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gaforces
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Re: Frankenstein's Monster
It's more akin to the days when people who didn't pay their tribute to the sovereign, had their hand cut off for payment. |
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Sammer
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Re: Get rid of statutory damages!
The problem with that is the burden of proof is too low in civil cases so our court system is abused and the results are unjust. Just because legislators are willing to be whores to corporations doesn't make laws the Nazis would be proud of right. Our Constitution is not based on the ends justify the means. |
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Re: Why stop at 1.5 million
Yes!! They should be fined one.....hundred...........................B....illion dollars!!!!
buuuuuwaaaahahahahahahah! |
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