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| Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?
What a load of BS thrown out by Google's mouthpiece in his blog entry ( »googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/···net.html ).
To listen to this whining from a Google officer is kind of sickening. This is the same Google that has swallowed up dozens of companies since their start. And to complain about Microsoft doing the same thing is the height of hypocrisy. |
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Of course Google is going to have a problem with any competition that may actually threaten the stranglehold they have over internet searches and online advertising. Naturally, they want to keep their monopoly safe and sound. We can't have it affecting that shareholder value, now can we. |
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join:2003-10-16 | What a joke.
Google is just pi$$ed because they can't buy Yahoo because the merger would never be approved. |
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1 edit | Re: and let the mud slingling begin
Microsoft responded to Google's arguments by saying that a merger with Yahoo would create a "compelling number two competitor for Internet search and online advertising" to market leader ============================== Of course Microsoft was asking the same questions when Google recently acquired Doubleclick-a known spy |
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join:2001-03-28 Arlington, VA | Sounds like Microsoft was thinking ahead on this. Maybe they're not as unintelligent as people often allude too. |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Google is to on-line ads and search what Microsoft is to operating systems. Instead of whining about Microsoft trying to challenge its turf, it should leverage its position to create its own Linux distro to challenge Windows in corporate America or get behind one of the others with funding and R&D to make it more competitive.
IMO - allowing the merger and having Google challenge Microsoft's desktop will achieve more for the market than having Google spoon-feed Yahoo! some deals to torpedo the merger. If that happens, Google and Microsoft keep their respective positions and we lose.
I don't hate Microsoft or Windows but I truly didn't think the Vista egg was possible. Since Vista and Windows ME are of different lineage how could Microsoft lay a "Window ME"-like egg with Vista?!?!?
Someone needs to step in and make them pay with 20 or 30% market share drop. That would shake Microsoft's foundation and maybe they wouldn't "innovate" so much as to create a pile like Vista in the future. Imagine, taking a PC with 1GB of RAM that runs XP really well and have it pant and struggle to run Vista. That's what I call a fat, bloated pile. |
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| reply to TKJunkMail I thought the same thing: Google finally has the potential for some real competition and the first thing they do is try to kill the deal. Is not that precisely what Microsoft was accused of doing?
I never bought into the benevolent caretaker of the Internet PR Google has cloaked itself with. They control far too much information and practically all of the online ad market. They are awash in other people's money and while I like some of their products the real Google is starting to show through the PR veneer. If they could truly compete they wouldn't be trying this BS. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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| reply to NPGMBR Re: and let the mud slingling begin
said by NPGMBR :Sounds like Microsoft was thinking ahead on this. Maybe they're not as unintelligent as people often allude too. No one's ever said that MS is unintelligent. They make buggy, bloated software. But their business practices have ALWAYS been extremely aggressive. From DOS to Windows to Internet Explorer to Yahoo. -- |- The LP »www.lp.org/issues/issues.shtml -| |- Cato @ Liberty »www.cato-at-liberty.org -| |- Ron Paul »www.ronpaul2008.com/ -| |
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join:2001-02-21 | how about...
multiple companies bid for part of Yahoo? AT&T, Time Warner, GE/NBC Universal, etc. |
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| reply to TwoCpus4me MS's Ballmer shoots back
»news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2008020···d/142142
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer rebuffed Google 's accusations that an acquisition of Yahoo would be anticompetitive.
"Google's clearly got a dominant position," Ballmer said. "They have about 75 percent of paid search worldwide. We think this enhances competition and anything else would be less good."
Ballmer continued with a hard push as to how a deal with Yahoo will let Microsoft move faster in building out areas such as search, online services and online advertising.
"We are going to have to innovate like crazy," Ballmer said.
But he also stressed how long it could take for a Yahoo deal to eventually benefit shareholders. Ballmer said he looks at whether investments will pay off five to 10 years down the line, but investors often want to see results in three years.
"Sometimes those investments look smart, sometimes it takes a while for them to pay off," Ballmer said. -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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join:2001-03-28 Arlington, VA 1 edit | reply to tiger72 Re: and let the mud slingling begin
You sure about that? Seems you are trying to answer for the entire world. I'm sure there are a few milllion that have spedifically said that the folks running Microsoft were unintelligent! |
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| reply to RadioDoc Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?
Google does nothing that forces you to use Google search. People use it because they want to use it or because it works good for them. This isn't the same boat Microsoft has. You buy a PC, it comes with Windows 95%++ of the time, you have no choice but to accept it and give them revenue and turn around and not use it. They each control their own areas for very different reasons.
Microsoft is trying to buy their way into a competitive position in the search engine area rather than just offer something that people want to use. Google started out as nothing and made something that people found useful and it made them successful. |
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1 edit | said by firephoto :Microsoft is trying to buy their way into a competitive position in the search engine area rather than just offer something that people want to use. Google started out as nothing and made something that people found useful and it made them successful. And Google did it by buying up dozens(hundreds ?) of companies to get where they are. They are no different than Microsoft. -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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| What companies make them then number one search engine? My google mail doesn't make them number one in search and neither does google earth or sketchup or picassa or doubleclick or anything other than their search.
They are number one at the search and they make money on advertising due to that search. Microsoft has a search portal, advertising, hopefully some revenue. Does buying another search portal with advertising and revenue give them the chance to be better at it? |
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| Google may be #1 in search but not elsewhere....
Although Google is number 1 in search they aren't even close in email, IM and the type of content that Yahoo! provides.
I think allowing this merger is a clear mistake, it might provide better competition in search but it's NOT going to be good for everything else Yahoo! does. Frankly I like Yahoo! and I know Microsoft will f*ck Yahoo! up really badly with their branding and make the thing run on Silverlight because MS wants to sell it. Microsoft can't help but advertise and use their software all over the whole site and I'm sure they will make Firefox work badly with the site and use other aggressive means to extend their monopoly. Not only that but they will integrate their very anti-privacy tracking crap on Yahoo!. In general MS buying Yahoo! is a huge thumbs down for me. Even if the US approves it I hope the EU snowballs it. |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: Has Google's Drummond ever heard the word "hypocrisy" ?
They may have purchased Doubleclick (which BTW isn't final yet) making them the number one advertiser, but they became the number 1 search on their own. They maintain this search lead simply because they REFUSE to put advertising in the search. Most other search engines continue to this day to sell the number 1 up to the first 10 search results (IIRC Yahoo sells the first 3) and don't mark these results as paid advertising. As long as companies continue to realize that providing clean clear search results is what sells the search advertising Google will continue to dominate search.
Above all though, Google is NOT a monopoly. MS is a convicted monopolist that is trying to extend that monopoly to other areas. |
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1 edit | said by rahvin112 :They may have purchased Doubleclick (which BTW isn't final yet) making them the number one advertiser, but they became the number 1 search on their own. LOL. See here: »www.seobythesea.com/?p=64
And then look for these companies they BOUGHT: Outride in 2001 Applied Semantics in 2003 Kaltix in 2003 Transformic, Inc. in 2006
And these are just the ones I could dig up in a few minutes.
And as Jerry Seinfeld says: "Not that there is anything wrong with that". But I get a kick out of all those who somehow think Google is the personification of all that is good and honest and public spirited. Guess what people, they got where they are the same way every other company did - by being ruthless businessmen devoted to totally dominating their market and becoming a monopoly just like any other business. -- Internet News My BLOG My Web Page |
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| You're not making any valid point. So what if they bought joe-bobs-search-tech. People use google because it is the best.
Microsoft wants to buy millions of yahoo users and point them at their search engine and their advertisers and their products. |
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| People use google because they ran just about everyone else out of the business.
I don't really care what they do, or Microsoft for that matter. They are both for-profit entities and would not think twice to sell you for a nickel if they bought you for a penny.
Google has their "search bar" inserted into the installers of more and more online applications. It installs by default. This is not a good thing. You can continue to defend them as some sort of benevolent entity but behind the scenes it is all about the money. Do you really know where your information is? -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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| said by RadioDoc :Do you really know where your information is? I sure do. And what's out in the open is there because I let it be there. A person is crazy to think that anyone that wants you info doesn't have it already. |
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