tencz51
Kats The Man
Premium
join:2000-07-06
Ocala, FL |  really
for some reason i just can't see this happening in my town .
which has sprint fastconnect , times warner and cox . but also some very dark un-serviceable spots in the mist of these 3 major concerns . hmmm ocala ,fl still lives in the 70 's |
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Hardxx
join:2000-12-21
Norristown, PA | i am not a techie but....
This seems like a great start up business for a techie.
just my two cents |
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Galford
Premium
join:2001-02-24
Kingstree, SC
clubs: | if that is the case..
i need to start my own isp in my hood to rake in some extra cash  |
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gtidsl
join:2000-07-29
Morristown, NJ
|  It would be nice... BUT
In Verizon territory if they find out you are using "dry pairs" for data they will disconnect the line. Not to mention you are screwed if there is voltage or bridge taps on it - hence DSL wont work if thats the case and they wont modify the line either (unless you pay the install guy off).
Id be selling this left and right if I could.... |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | So you just hire some muscle to convince them that it's in their best interest to keep the pair in place.
Sillyhead.
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broadbndgeek
Premium
join:2000-08-03
Graham, WA |  reply to gtidsl
»www.foen.net is doing the something, except running ETTH. 100Mbps FDX to everyone.
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insomnia has cause man to think more in deeply. |
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA
| Get some outdoor CAT-5 cable
Get some outdoor CAT-5 cable and run it on top of the fence and start your very own ISP. Also get those cheap 4 ports ethernet switch (one per 800 feet - or one per house) for ethernet buffering/forwarding.
I've been testing this scheme out (indoor/outdoor)- works pretty well, anyone in the 95051 interest in this? |
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skwahl
join:2000-11-13
Marietta, GA | reply to broadbndgeek
Re: It would be nice... BUT
broadbandgeek,
What is the story behind FOEN? Their page has no information at all. What are they and where are they?? |
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Anon | it is fake, no such thing |
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DSLJohnny
join:2001-01-25
Atlanta, GA
|  You can screw up your neighbor's service this way!
Well,
You better be careful! If your modems are 2B1Q SDSL, you may have wiped out all your neighbor's ISDN lines. If the modems are ADSL modems/DSLAM, you have killed alll your neighbor's ADSL sessions. You can't have a DSLAM (generator) at the far end of the loop, where there ae modems! SDSL does not have a good history of coexisting with ADSL either.
Did you think the RBOCs are just being mean? ( they are sometimes.... but) There is a good chance that you can seriously impair your neighbor's service (the people on the same cable bundle you are on) for these implementations.
It is no wonder they are extremely leery of this!
John |
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Network Guy
join:2000-08-25
New York
 ·PHONE POWER
·Broadvox Direct
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Umm.. While I may not have facts to back this, but I think you're wrong. I had both a SDSL line and a line-share ADSL line running to the same feed from my local pedestal, coming from the same NID for about three months, both worked fine. I don't really think deploying DSLAM's at any end of the loop would generate the kind of crosstalk to knock down sync on CPE's on the same trunk. ILEC's likely are anal about providing dry pairs because of reasons that the article explained. |
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rmarynowski
join:1999-08-26
Tinley Park, IL | reply to jdir
Re: Get some outdoor CAT-5 cable
Wait until the first lightning storm hits. You need to be sure to properly ground the setup that you are describing. |
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AkumalDave
Life's A Beach
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-20
Minneapolis, MN
| Dry line, but nowhere to go...
I've still got the old Northpoint dry pair run into my house, but Qwest won't touch it. It worked great for 784k SDSL for a whole 7 months or so.
What I really need is an article stating how to convince your local Telco into re-activating what's already in place.
Dave |
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jkoering
join:2001-06-12
Chicago, IL
| Actually, it sounds a little shady.
This sounds like a fine idea, EXCEPT for the part where you hook onto the internet backbone.:
Put one end of the circuit at your business. Put one end at your school. Put one end in the machine room at a local ISP.
Um, don't those parties OWN those extensions? Isn't that equivalent to stealing? Maybe I just don't understand what this guy is saying. |
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Network Guy
join:2000-08-25
New York
·PHONE POWER
·Broadvox Direct
·Verizon Online DSL
| Good idea.. But...
I would love to do this, except that the nearest T3 line I could get my hands on is about 25 miles away from my house at work, and needless to say about a couple of CO's away from mine.  Sounds like a freaggin' good idea though. I would invest on creating a local ISP like that though. Start off by leasing a 768K SDSL line and get about 10 customers to sign up, lease a line to each for $25, which would pay the SDSL line monthly fee, and leave me some money to get some infrastructure in place. I do wonder if Verizon would cut off those pairs if they do find out they're being used for data. I wouldn't be surprised at all!! Man.. To imagine the possibilities of running your own local ISP, it would be so cool!! |
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Network Guy
join:2000-08-25
New York | reply to jkoering
Re: Actually, it sounds a little shady.
Umm.. Yeah.. I'm sure he meant through agreements with all parties involved, and I'm sure through some kind of monetary incentive. |
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DSLJohnny
join:2001-01-25
Atlanta, GA
| reply to Network Guy
Re: You can screw up your neighbor's service this way!
It will work fine on shorter loops (within a couple of miles from the CO), but the crosstalk becomes a factor on longer loops (in the 3 mile range) where the signal is weak. One of the great things about ADSL is that it uses different frequency bands for upstream and downstream transmission. If all of the upstream signals are originating at one end and downstream at the other then their is very little interference between the two. But if it is reversed it will significantly degrade the ADSL lines going the proper direction.
Is this why the ILECs are anal, do you suppose?
I can see it coming. It looks like ....somebody.... is going to have to start managing the spectral frequency on these lines. Probably the town council, right. Or maybe the party that owns the lines? Could get interesting.
John (and Roger) |
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Anon | It could work, BUT....
Just for starters, I work for SBC and there is a way you can get "dry pairs" and do as this person says. Most of your local Lottery agents are set up in this fashion, even at present. The problem I see in his report....How to connect to the internet... Do you really think that your school, your buisness, or other fast internet connction is going to "Legally" allow you to tap into thier locations for FREE ????? Maybe my next door buisness (NASA) wouldn't mind..... Hell, maybe I should call my local Police Dept., and see if I could have access to thier secure internet connections............ |
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Network Guy
join:2000-08-25
New York
·PHONE POWER
·Broadvox Direct
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to DSLJohnny
Re: You can screw up your neighbor's service this way!
said by DSLJohnny:
I can see it coming. It looks like ....somebody.... is going to have to start managing the spectral frequency on these lines. Probably the town council, right. Or maybe the party that owns the lines? Could get interesting.
Town council?? LOL.. For that, I might as well let the US government itself dictate who gets the spectrum. They'll just auction it off.. Then it becomes no fun, and most importantly, it becomes a non-profitable business model. Nah.. Keep it simple. If problems arise, then handle those accordingly. |
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johnflem
join:2000-01-07
Plainfield, IL
| reply to Anon
Re: It could work, BUT....
In my hood, Ameriwreck wants $1200/mo to my house for T1..
I can find it for $800 Fractional/Burstable...
Let's assume $50/mo (in my area they're desperate!)
50=$2500/mo... I buy the line, do I need one of these $300 modems for -each- user, or do they all patch in to 1?
If not, then even if I have to lease some space ($800/mo?)
and pay electric ($100/mo?)
I'm still (2500-($15 for each line *50)-800-100) at breakeven.. anything else, profit of $35/mo/user? |
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