xenophon
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3 edits | ATT probably couldn't do 300Mbps
I assume ATT would put LTE at the 700mhz spectrum they acquired. They only have 12Mhz spectrum in each market, which might be able to get 60Mbps-120Mbps if I recall (still great, but not like the 1Gbps theoretical max Sprint can eventually do with WiMAX 802.16m with the near 100Mhz spectrum they have per market).
Unless they have available nationwide spectrum in some other band, I think they are limited to 12Mhz in the 700mhz space.
ATT seems to have trouble providing enough backhaul too. Their HSPA performance is not exceeding EVDO in the real world even though the theoretical limits are higher. |
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en102
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| Its possible that they'd use LTE @ 700MHz, but I don't think they have enough spectrum (unless they win some during auctions).
I would expect that long term, AT&T would want to use spectrum for LTE thats compatible with other countries for roaming, as its a real cash cow. Currently there are ~200 million UMTS/HSDPA subs globally, and ~100 million EVDO.
I don't expect any real LTE outside of a large metro for at least a couple of years.
As far as HSPA performance, the average user probably doesn't care for 1.4Mbps vs. 2Mbps as long as they have service where/when they need it. On that part, AT&T is way behind.
The 700MHz spectrum would be great for rural areas though.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD | AT&T Aleady Expanding 3G
The 3G area around DC now extends as far north as Etchison, MD (about 15 miles north of Rockville). This went live right after 01/02/2008. Prior to that, it ended just north of Derwood.
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17
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| reply to en102
Re: ATT probably couldn't do 300Mbps
Yeah, a good point that ATT probably wouldn't use 700mhz for LTE since it's not globally available. But where else would they put LTE? Is there enough bandwidth in the GSM/HSPA spectrum currently used?
If they do use LTE at 700mhz, they'll of course have to supply phones with radios that support 700mhz LTE as well as other spectrum used globally. |
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BloodRoses
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| Hopefully they upgrade network capacity too...
It's been terrible lately calling people from different parts of the country and being dropped 5 times in a row, and not due to bad signal.
Maybe this will push Apple to release a 3G iPhone a little faster, too?
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BloodRoses
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3 edits | reply to pnh102
Re: AT&T Aleady Expanding 3G
Going West it ends just before Centreville.
Edit: and just before Woodbridge going South. Not sure about EAST (sorry about that, I'll get my directions right one of these days). |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| Do not count on lte for a while
3g isnt even available here in suffol kcount except for 10 feet on either siide of 110. We are only 1 hour away from nyc where they have 3g. You would think with all the stars and rich people in suffolk county att would have deployed 3g to all of long island.
IF att deploys lte like they have been doing 3g then dont expect it till 2015 or 2020 the earliest. |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Wireless wireless wireless
Wireless is the future. Not fibre to the casa.
300Mbps is pretty sweet. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA
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| reply to xenophon
Re: ATT probably couldn't do 300Mbps
Well, technically AT&T has a lot of spectrum in many markets.
Many markets have Cell A or B AND typically 10MHz of PCS.
Some markets there's cell A, B and PCS (parts of Texas and, if I'm not mistaken eastern Florida).
I suspect that some of the 700MHz spectrum purchased will complement some of that newly auctioned 700MHz spectrum, however will be primarily used for U.S. based. Roaming for now will have to remain GSM/UMTS on 850/1900, where devices and roaming agreements exist.
100MHz of 2.5GHz is obviously a little gold mine, as far as spectrum goes... Sprint has just got to get it deployed and start selling the business to get its revenue stream rolling.
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NOCMan
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Flower Mound, TX | reply to xenophon
With both you can sacrifice speed for distance. So they tell it to never allow above X and therefore it can provide greater coverage. If they uppped the speed they'd lose coverage to an extent. |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
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|  reply to ninjatutle
Re: Wireless wireless wireless
said by ninjatutle  :Wireless is the future. Not fibre to the casa. 300Mbps is pretty sweet. Wireless does have it's applications, but it will never replace FTTH. 300Mbps might be sweet, but this is under ideal conditions and probably a few feet away. If you want HDTV, Phone, and Broadband Fiber is the only way to go. |
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en102
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| reply to ninjatutle
Wireless is good, however, there are limits (there aint no such thing as a free lunch)
300 Mbps = SHARED, and assuming no interference
That 300Mbps requires a lot of spectrum, and capacity will be limited to distance (i.e. how many users / distance).
Wireless is technically much cheaper technology to deploy, with the exception of the cost of licensing the spectrum itself.
It would be nice to have something like AT&T replace its 'Uverse' FTTN/VDSL with its 700MHz spectrum with a pico cell where VRADs exist today.
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK | reply to ninjatutle
At only .75 cents a kilobyte!
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factchecker
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| Sticking with EVDO
Until ATT and the other GSM carriers start rolling something out that can smoke EVDO, I'll happily stick with the better technology - EVDO.
When we start seeing widespread WiMAX and LTE deployments, all bets might be off. LTE is looking pretty impressive. |
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su719
join:2006-01-29
Livingston, NJ | 350 markets
AT&T Please just cover the NY metro market before you expand to more. Unless you are in Manhattan, the coverage is swiss cheese. That is not coverage. |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to xenophon
Re: ATT probably couldn't do 300Mbps
Don't forget that they are decommissioning a lot of AMPS and TDMA equipment this month, which should open up some space.
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DaveNJ
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| reply to factchecker
Re: Sticking with EVDO
said by factchecker :
Until ATT and the other GSM carriers start rolling something out that can smoke EVDO, I'll happily stick with the better technology - EVDO.
When we start seeing widespread WiMAX and LTE deployments, all bets might be off. LTE is looking pretty impressive.
With a name like factchecker, i would think you would at least look at wikipedia. UMTS is what all GSM carriers are deploying. UMTS can send higher data rates then evdo, and do voice simultaneously. Verizon a EVDO carrier is going LTE, which is the evolution of GSM. CDMA is history. UMTS (LTE) is the future.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison···tandards
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gworkman7
join:2005-10-18
Vail, AZ | What is a "Market"
They state 160 "markets" are served. They list several suburbs of Phoenix as "markets". That seems a bit misleading. |
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xenophon
join:2007-09-17
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| said by gworkman7 :They state 160 "markets" are served. They list several suburbs of Phoenix as "markets". That seems a bit misleading. ATT stopped reporting million pops coverage with HSPA but they once said about 160m pops covered and it's likely more than that now, but peppered. Verizon last reported 210m coverage. Sprint says 230m now covered with EVDO, including roaming on Alltel EVDO. (Verizon doesn't roam EVDO). In terms of area, Sprint/Alltel combined have huge EVDO coverage in some states. ATT has a long way to go to get 3G coverage up to speed.
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kgeier82
@ubalt.edu | reply to BloodRoses
Re: AT&T Aleady Expanding 3G
had 3g on a blackjack 2 in Westminster, MD. Pretty far from DC market.
kinda funny how the ATT map doesnt say westminster is a 3g area. i would think theyd update them quickly after deployment... |
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