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Comments on news posted 2008-02-07 11:55:34: Public Knowledge posts a video from the recent State of the Net Conference, at which the RIAA's Cary Sherman discusses ISP piracy filters. Of course, many piracy filtering systems like the one being tested by AT&T could easily be bested by encryption. ..

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Dogfather
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And I would buy AV software that did that because?

What? 50% margins for media companies aren't enough?

People stealing movies, music and software know they're doing it but simply don't care. It's hard to have sympathy for media companies like NBC/Universal who cry poverty and refuse to pay writers an extra 4 cents a DVD while telling investors they're seeing record performance.

I obey their EULAs and pay for my music and movies (usually through iTunes or Amazon) and still say F the RIAA and MPAA. They continue to push the issue making it harder for me to follow their rules. Eventually it will come to a point that I don't give a crap for their rules just like they don't give a crap about their artists and writers as it will be easier to pirate than purchase through proper channels.
SilverSurfer1

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Re: And I would buy AV software that did that because?

Cary Sherman/RIAA...bringing stupidity to entirely new levels daily.
The Antihero

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Re: And I would buy AV software that did that because?

said by SilverSurfer1:

Cary Sherman/RIAA...bringing stupidity to entirely new levels daily.
I hear you. I actually laughed out loud when I read this article.

Nightshade
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No kidding.

I swear you couldn't make this stuff up.
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ohmygosh

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said by SilverSurfer1:

Cary Sherman/RIAA...bringing stupidity to entirely new levels daily.
LOL LOL LOL

oh my.... I cant stop laughing.... LOL

Actually I have a better idea!!!

Lets all get a data implant so the riaa can track ever move we make. It would make the riaa's job so much easier.

Come on... who could say no to that idea!!!

LOL LOL LOL

Anti-Virus Software Should Filter Pirated Content *LOL*

What a joke...........

FicmanS
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Re: RIAA: Anti-Virus Software Should Filter Pirated Content

Yeah the AV folks HAVE to be rolling on this one, like they don't have their hands full enough...

This one REALLY blows me away...

winsyrstrife
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said by ohmygosh :

Anti-Virus Software Should Filter Pirated Content *LOL*

What a joke...........
Yeah. If I wasn't in a quiet area at work, I would have bursted into hard gut busting laughter after reading that headline.
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MrMoody
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said by ohmygosh :

Lets all get a data implant so the riaa government can track ever move we make. It would make the riaa's job so much easier.
Don't laugh, that's coming.
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SunnyFL
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said by ohmygosh :

said by SilverSurfer1:

Cary Sherman/RIAA...bringing stupidity to entirely new levels daily.
LOL LOL LOL

oh my.... I cant stop laughing.... LOL

Actually I have a better idea!!!

Lets all get a data implant so the riaa can track ever move we make. It would make the riaa's job so much easier.

Come on... who could say no to that idea!!!

LOL LOL LOL

Anti-Virus Software Should Filter Pirated Content *LOL*

What a joke...........
Better yet the RIAA will push for webcams on us while we use the net and watch us to make sure we are not downloading music or doing anything illegal.

Of course RIAA would make us pay for the equipment.

Wouldn't that solve their problem?

ohmygosh

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Re: RIAA: Anti-Virus Software Should Filter Pirated Content

said by MrMoody:

said by ohmygosh :

Lets all get a data implant so the riaa government can track ever move we make. It would make the riaa's job so much easier.
Don't laugh, that's coming.
Ya, I know. They will also build in a program so when its activated it will make us ALL run to the store and buy 100's of CD's @ $30 a pop.

said by SunnyFL:

Better yet the RIAA will push for webcams on us while we use the net and watch us to make sure we are not downloading music or doing anything illegal.

Of course RIAA would make us pay for the equipment.

Wouldn't that solve their problem?
I wouldn't have it any otherway! *LOL*
SunnyFL
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Re: RIAA: Anti-Virus Software Should Filter Pirated Content

exactly!

gaforces
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So they get their filthy paws on my hardware and OS with DRM and HDCP, now they expect to be able to infest every piece of hardware and software with it?

Instead of embracing opportunity, they want restrictions to be automated so they can stay secure in their business model that is obsolete and continuing to fail to do it's purpose.
Which should be to get as much media to as many people as they can. They are sitting on decades of entertainment that is just collecting dust in some archive.

Lower the prices, make the formats easier for people to play with enhanced capability's.
I don't want their crap spyware trojan on my machine so they can make more money by blackmailing society by withholding content.
I wonder how many years they have set the United States back by where we could be enjoying what other people have created without restrictions and draconian rules.

If they want us to buy their content, they had better start cooperating with people, instead of continuing to try and impose their mercenary tactics on our society.
The wolves are guarding the chicken coop.

I keep thinking about AOL as I write this, they refused to embrace reality, and are no longer relevant.
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swhx7
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These are the same slimy weasels that are currently lobbying for lower royalty payments to artists. Evidently the notorious take-it-or-don't-get-published contracts aren't ripping off artists enough to satisfy the greed-crazed control freaks of Hollywood. Of course the RIAA companies go on exploiting the nickel per CD that they still pay to the lucky artists who come out in the black, as an excuse to whine that infringement is "hurting artists".
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Re: And I would buy AV software that did that because?

Exactly the point! the RIAA has forgotten that they are there for the artists, NOT to make themselves rich so they can take in multi-million dollar salaries, sue innocent people, all the while basically hating artists who for some strange reason, want to get paid for their work.

cao1964

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Re: And I would buy AV software that did that because?

No the RIAA is basically lawyers and yes they are there for the money only, that what lawyers are always for, I know a few. Forget all that artist stuff, that fantasy stuff.
Kearnstd
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and the open source AV programs wouldnt ever have it and there is absolutly no way to make them include it.
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patcat88

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Re: And I would buy AV software that did that because?

Hahhha. ISPs can force you to install »techbase.asu.edu/wiki/index.php/···ess_FAQs

Universities and major corporations already use it. If you don't have an AV program that they authorize, you can't connect. Whether is can be hacked IDK. Also I can't see how this would work on Linux, so only OSX and Windows can use these internet connections.

Dogfather
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Re: And I would buy AV software that did that because?

I have no less than 4 HSI providers available to me, 2 are small WISPs who would love to steal that business from Time Warner or Verizon.

Verizon already has a history of saying no to the RIAA (when it came to turning over names anyway). While I wouldn't put it past Time Warner who is in the entertainment biz, I don't see what would be in it for Verizon.

Unless the RIAA/MPAA gave Verizon millions, there is no reason for Verizon to comply. They don't need to conserve bandwidth.

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av software

In that case you could try running as os that is less virus likely like mac osx or linux. Thats great, they are effectively pushing people to get rid of their antivirus. I would think an antivirus would pick up what they are doing as viral and malware.
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Re: av software

Don't kid yourself. Let's say that you are correct and 80% of the market is now OS X and/or Linux and/or the need for AV and similar product is eliminated. The RIAA would then be after Apple and other hardware makers to force them to include a "P chip" (for 'pirate') which works at the network hardware layer independent of the OS. This is not a new idea, by the way. We've essentially got that with HDTVs now.
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swhx7
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Re: av software

HDTV is only for display of mostly entertainment. The implications are much worse in the case of computers.

If there's something in your computer that obeys a remote corporation instead of the computer owner, and can stop copyright infringement, then it can also filter out anything the party that controls it doesn't want you to see, filter out anything the party that controls it doesn't want you to transmit to others, and monitor anything you do and report it to anyone, anywhere, all the time. You'd have nothing left but carefully filtered propaganda and pervasive spyware. It would abolish the possibility of free speech, privacy or security for any user of that device.

So if that's what it takes to prevent copyright infringement, then what this proves is not that we have to abolish freedom of communication, but instead that we have to tolerate some copyright infringement as the price of preserving freedom.

RadioDoc
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Re: av software

I realize that and used HDMI as an example of how the content providers have already managed to cripple a very nice piece of hardware. I agree with you 100%.
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said by RadioDoc:

other hardware makers to force them to include a "P chip" (for 'pirate') which works at the network hardware layer independent of the OS.
it would be point less cause i can just buy an old network card
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Re: av software

Your experiance will be "degraded".

Anonymous_
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Re: av software

Gig E card...

nixen
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said by RadioDoc:

Don't kid yourself. Let's say that you are correct and 80% of the market is now OS X and/or Linux and/or the need for AV and similar product is eliminated. The RIAA would then be after Apple and other hardware makers to force them to include a "P chip" (for 'pirate') which works at the network hardware layer independent of the OS. This is not a new idea, by the way. We've essentially got that with HDTVs now.
HDTVs are a buttload easier technology proposition to enforce a technology on. HDTVs aren't general purpose or overly evolving platforms. Computers, on the other hand, are quite the opposite.
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RadioDoc
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Re: av software

Those same HDTVs are used as computer monitors and have the same problems. While you are correct that was not the point.
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CWO333

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said by jgkolt:

In that case you could try running as os that is less virus likely like mac osx or linux. Thats great, they are effectively pushing people to get rid of their antivirus. I would think an antivirus would pick up what they are doing as viral and malware.
Actually if everyone moves to Mac or Linux, so will those who make viruses. I'm sure if Mac or Linux had 90% of the market, viruses would be rampant on them too. Why write a virus that may affect a maximum of 5% of the computers in the world when you can write something that could achieve that in a day.
redhatnation
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Re: av software

said by CWO333:

said by jgkolt:

In that case you could try running as os that is less virus likely like mac osx or linux.
Actually if everyone moves to Mac or Linux, so will those who make viruses. I'm sure if Mac or Linux had 90% of the market, viruses would be rampant on them too. Why write a virus that may affect a maximum of 5% of the computers in the world when you can write something that could achieve that in a day.
Wrong. Linux platforms suffer vastly fewer viruses and other end-user problems because they are simply designed with security in mind. All that crap you see on Windows systems just doesn't happen on Linux systems. Linux users, BY DEFAULT, cannot kill their system without logging in as root. You would know this if you actually tried a Linux distribution before spewing nonsense.
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that is because Linux wasnt designed with everyman users, Windows was. however windows does not need to be as open as it is, you can make something easy to use and not so open. why do MMORPGs have to be run under admin? why not set something up so they can patch only their folder(and sub folders with in) while you are still logged in as a user and also not need the game exe itself to run as admin but also in user space.
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I have no answers...

either, to the problem of piracy...

This can't be the right way to look at, or even think about to yourself privately, to fix the problem..

Didn't they already put hidden rootkits on cds, so when you tried to use them on your pc....

Anyway, yeah, this is a bad idea, and it's scary to think people actually come up with them, and think its a good idea.
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sharkpedal

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Keep that crapware off my machine!

"Sherman sees a future where your ISP, modem, PC, and perhaps anti-malware software all work together to protect the recording industry's profit margins"

ISP
MODEM
PC
Software

Hmmmm, 4 separate s/w - h/w entities times however many companies supplie service and hardware...oh yeah that will work. Then try getting them to play nicely together....NOT!

It boggles the mind!

Boricua
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Ice, Ice, Baby

That fool (Rotten Idiot A**holes of America) is skating on thin ice.

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Just when you thought...

... the RIAA couldn't mouth-off anything stupider, here they want my AV to work for them?
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I'm sorry...

...But on what planet can a pirated MP3 be defined as a "virus"? Even those who believe the RIAA comes from a position of legal righteousness have got to be reaching their wit's end with this childish inanity.
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dvd536
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Re: I'm sorry...

said by banditws6:

...But on what planet can a pirated MP3 be defined as a "virus"? Even those who believe the RIAA comes from a position of legal righteousness have got to be reaching their wit's end with this childish inanity.
they already do this for "clean keygens"
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Attention Ford Owners

The RIAA thinks that your Ford automobile with SYNC should stop running if you try to play pirated MP3s.

Not too far fetched, is it?

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Re: Attention Ford Owners

said by jjoshua:

Not too far fetched, is it?
Actually it reroutes you to the nearest "record" store on your in car GPS. And if necessary GlaDOS protocol is run!

Oh that's assuming your within 500 miles of a "record" store, if there isn't one must be cause of them dam pieruts!

Transmaster
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Re: Attention Ford Owners

What the RIAA wants Ford to do is when the on board copyright, Drug and Alcohol, fart detection computer see
pirated material being being played the computer takes control of your vehical and drives it to the nearest office of the RIAA copyright police so they can arrest you.
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Just want to know

what kind of pharmaceutical quality drugs these guys are using.
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Austinloop

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Re: Just want to know

And what is the dosage????
bigjimc

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Didn't Sony Try This?

Why not bury it in...

So lets put something on the computers and not tell anyone. That is tantamount to installing a hack. A RICO in the making.

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MysticGogeta
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Whats next your hard drive should filter pirated content?

How much further will they go before they realize how stupid they really are.. Then again why am I asking this when we already know the answer.
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Doctor Four
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The RIAA is a Virus

Enough said...

Anyway, this fool needs to be publicly ridiculed for
such an idiotic statement. Once again it shows that
all they are interested in is control. They could care
less about consumers (or their artists, given the recent
push to reduce royalties to them from online sales from
sites like iTunes.)
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WAIT I have a better idea!

How about we just outlaw tinfoil hats and develop a mind reading device that allows the *AA organizations to find anyone who ever considered utilizing an un-paid-for piece of media and then simply put them into indentured servitude to the *AA organizations! Imagine the evil that we would have removed from our streets!
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Neoistheone

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Great Firewall of Chi.....America

Why not go ahead and tell us what we should have access to and not have access to, I PAY for TOTAL access to the Internet, I don't want someone telling me what I can and can not see online, and the moment they start policing the internet, ISP's and my Hardware in my home, I will LEAVE the Technology Industry behind or go back to the old ways, even if i have to receive a packet of disk form pirates (you know the ones that had a ton of programs in it you added some you copied others then sent it on to the next guy).
I have a dream, a dream where if I pay for my internet connection I should not be punished by something saying FREE DOWNLOAD, I can also see the rise of a second world network (2 Internets?) one where the RIAA and the MPAA are god and DRM is a common place, The other, based on freedom, freedom to download, freedom to share with your close 2,000,000 friends, one where you don't have to worry about caps.

The community may one day be so fed up that they eventually create there own Internet.

Then the MPAA and the RIAA will wine and scream that they Have the right to police that one, or try to make it illegal to use such a network....

Oh and by the way I'm on my laptop and I do not have a Anti-virus/Spyware program installed, I use FireFox, and know when to stay away form crud that will get on my system.

Sorry I went off on a rant.

But when I went to school, (Graduated 2 years ago) I didn't know a single person that owned a CD but they all owned MP3 players. You do the math where did all those kids there there music?
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Sammer

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Destroy another industry to protect your own

Other industries, freedom, how much of our economy and our way of life is the RIAA (Al Queda) willing to destroy to protect their own failed business model?

Edge1
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OMG wake up already.

These guys really need to dedicate their resources toward something meaningful...like a new business model.

fubar

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Then Macs will thrive

This'll be great for Macs, since they have no need for AV software.

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mikenolan7
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Anti-Virs

The fools that can't protect their own website think they are going to own all the machines of all the file traders. I don't trade files, and they think they are going to own my machines, too? Let's see what ya got **AA. My knees are knocking that you are going to sic AV on me. Get f'ing serious.

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Volumes of Mainstream Coverage!

This is one of a limited number of news events that directly impacts nearly every single American.

How much balanced coverage has ABCNBCCBSCNNetc given to topic? Might it be that they have a dog in the hunt?

Are our Mainstream Media Shills still denying that nearly all the news outlets have a coordinated and unified slant to news gathering and reporting?

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Splatter Effect

Throw it all against a wall and see what sticks.