  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ | Green Party of Sweeden - another name for communists
They want the state to own everything and private people and companies nothing. It is hardly surprising that they support the dismantling of copyright systems - which flow from the concept of private property. |
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  JasonD
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from: TKJunkMail  thumbs down from: dentman42 
| Sweden's green party is flat out wrong...
Who comes up with this trash? File trading is more akin to anarchy, NOT Democracy. And file trading should be illegal. Now before somebody hoots and hollers about open source or the latest wow patch, there are exceptions. But until people stop stealing there needs to be a controlled and centralized non-p2p method to grant those who receive permission to use copyrighted content access to it, without them then exposing it to the world. Sure it sucks, but until peoples morals improve, it's what we're looking at.
We live in a permission based culture. And the laws around it protect all of us, not just media companies. If you create something of value, you have the protection of the law to keep somebody from stealing it. You can, of course, choose to share it with anyone, but the law gives that control to you. Not some pirate. |
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  Dogfather Premium join:2007-12-26 Laguna Hills, CA 1 edit | File SHARING?
Quite the nice PC euphemism for the crime of copyright infringement. What's next, we going to call racists genetically discriminating, and psychos socially misaligned?
Enough with the political correctness crap. |
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  LuisRodg Premium join:2002-07-28 Miami | Swden is going in the right direction.
Swden is going in the right direction.
Good job!
Hopefully America follows. |
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 grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03 New York, NY
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Intellectual property is not a form of private property, it's an idiotic idea that was devised by authoritarian morons. The founding fathers originally put IP in because they were trying to protect books and the references were mostly to patents. Patents are a good idea because they are actually enforceable. Notice who actually make money off of IP, the intermediaries. In other words the people who have no value to society other than the ability to open their mouths and yap idiocy.
The concept of copyright was a social contract to gain the most for the public, which is if anything the most communist logic in your terms.
Wasn't Cary Sherman pissed off a few months ago over some DRM thing that affected him? |
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 grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03 New York, NY 1 edit | Sweden is...
taking a step towards the truly unimpeded free market that is so crucial to functioning capitalism. |
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  Cjaiceman Premium,MVM join:2004-10-12 Parker, CO
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| reply to JasonD Re: Sweden's green party is flat out wrong...
So, what you are saying is you want big brother (the government / **AA's) to watch everything that we do, say, and where we go and if somebody is file sharing copyrighted content then you want them to be fined and/or put in jail? Doesn't sound like the USA any more, sounds more like a communist country.
Sure stealing is wrong, but I don't think that the government/**AA's need to watch everybody and punish them, I think they need to come up with a better system for content delivery and make content that is actually worth buying. I buy my DRM free MP3's from Amazon, itunes can go elsewhere (read between the lines). I record my own TV shows from my Comcast Cable, then cut out the commercials and store them, and I buy my movies on Blu-Ray/HD DVD. I also play WOW, so the BT throttling does hit home when I'm trying to get a 500MB+ patch 
All I'm trying to say is that people are going to steal content, there will always be this problem. People will always find ways around the filters, like a Sweden based VPN, or proxy server, or private FTP servers. -- HOT JAMZ 94FM Listen Live at »sc7.shoutcaststreaming.us:8206/listen.pls |
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  MagMan Life is simpler when you tell the truth. Premium join:2003-10-01 Westlake, OH | Sweden
Long live Sweden good job. |
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  Jimmy1234
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| What about Authors?
Authors of great books and educational reference have been getting ripped off since the beginning of time.
Schools re-use textbooks for years, we have public places called libraries that we build and maintain with public funds which are essentially a form of file trading, they are just not digital.
We need to tear down our public libraries and dispose of their books before we need to worry about music and software. Schools need to buys books every year for their pupils, pupils should not be sharing the efforts of this countries finest educators and their literary creations.
Books and writings have been around and have been illegally traded for much longer that music and software (ie. The Holy Bible.)
Once all of the public libraries are torn down, and we get rid of those pirate librarians, then we can worry about what to do about music and software file sharing.
First things first.
Jimmy1234 |
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 MyDogHsFleas Premium join:2007-08-15 Austin, TX
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| said by Jimmy1234 :
Authors of great books and educational reference have been getting ripped off since the beginning of time.
Schools re-use textbooks for years, we have public places called libraries that we build and maintain with public funds which are essentially a form of file trading, they are just not digital.
We need to tear down our public libraries and dispose of their books before we need to worry about music and software. Schools need to buys books every year for their pupils, pupils should not be sharing the efforts of this countries finest educators and their literary creations.
Books and writings have been around and have been illegally traded for much longer that music and software (ie. The Holy Bible.)
Once all of the public libraries are torn down, and we get rid of those pirate librarians, then we can worry about what to do about music and software file sharing.
First things first.
Jimmy1234 You can't be seriously comparing libraries who lend books out to digital pirates?? Libaries respect copyrights, they don't violate them.
If you want to make a library analogy, imagine a library who buys one copy of a book, scans it into a file, then allows anyone to copy the file anonymously over the Internet and do whatever they want with it -- print a new copy, read it on a screen, whatever.
Or if you want to keep the network out of it, imagine a library who buys one copy of a book, makes paper copies of it, then gives the paper copies to anyone who walks in the door.
This would be a clear violation of copyright. Simply buying a book, then giving or lending it to someone else, is perfectly OK. You are not copying the work, simply transferring it to someone else, permanently or temporarily.
In fact, libraries now lend out CDs and DVDs, and obviously video rental places do the same thing for a fee, and this is all perfectly OK under the copyright laws. |
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| reply to JasonD Re: Sweden's green party is flat out wrong...
said by JasonD :
Who comes up with this trash? File trading is more akin to anarchy, NOT Democracy. And file trading should be illegal. Now before somebody hoots and hollers about open source or the latest wow patch, there are exceptions. But until people stop stealing there needs to be a controlled and centralized non-p2p method to grant those who receive permission to use copyrighted content access to it, without them then exposing it to the world. Sure it sucks, but until peoples morals improve, it's what we're looking at.
We live in a permission based culture. And the laws around it protect all of us, not just media companies. If you create something of value, you have the protection of the law to keep somebody from stealing it. You can, of course, choose to share it with anyone, but the law gives that control to you. Not some pirate. copyright ment something when it didnt last for 75 years post mortem. give us reasonable copyright laws and make DRM ILLEGAL. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
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  ph03n1x
join:2003-02-15 Sanford, FL | reply to MyDogHsFleas Re: What about Authors?
I wonder if you noticed that you kind of made his point for him there. |
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 Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to TKJunkMail Re: Green Party of Sweeden - another name for communists
the inital IP laws also didnt keep stuff out of public domain for 100+ years. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
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  DownTheShore Maddie Knows Poopie Premium join:2003-12-02 Beautiful NJ clubs: | reply to Jimmy1234 Re: What about Authors?
Oh, I like that image - libraries as the forefathers of file trading! So true.  -- Life is simply one damned thing after another. |
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 XknightHawkX
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I haven't seen this guy lately. I suspect that one of the post here already is Taylor. Sounded like taylor. Posted from Comcast. Did we finally get the troll removed or is that him that already posted.
I'm not saying names. Want to see if anyone elses thinks that someone else that posted sounded like taylor troll. |
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  ARGONAUT got ping?
join:2006-01-24 New Albany, IN | Not surprisingly...
Any freedom is corporate approved in the US.  |
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  TScheisskopf World News Trust
join:2005-02-13 Belvidere, NJ | reply to TKJunkMail Re: Green Party of Sweeden - another name for communists
Oh man.
/me holds head in hands |
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  hghlkgfhl6df
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from: TKJunkMail  thumbs down from: dentman42 
| reply to grandpinaple said by grandpinaple :The founding fathers originally put IP in because they were trying to protect books and the references were mostly to patents. Books and patents ... as opposed to all the other creations that required IP protection at the time?
Do you think they sat around and deliberated protection of recorded music and video performances and left them out on purpose for some reason? |
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  Faram Premium join:2002-03-27 Sweden clubs:
| Even our RIAA has secound thoughts
STIM that collects money from radio and other public broadcasting is suggesting a flat fee for unlimited downloads.
Swedish only but run it through a translator or somthing
Looks like I can put my broadband connection to good use soon.  -- Do you think it is a tough thing to be a Christian in this big, bad world?Do you want to see something interesting? Try not being one. |
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  fonzbear2000 Premium join:2005-08-09 Saint Paul, MN | GO SWEDEN!!!
FU*K the RIAA!!! |
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