B
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| A Joke, Karl?
Surely this is a joke, right? A well researched and well written joke?
ISPs are really going to inflict something like this on their paying customers. I'm sorry. I simply refuse to believe that any organization could be so mind-numbingly greedy and blind to basic human decency. I'm just going to pretend I didn't see this.
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dadkins
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Hercules, CA | Ads?
Ads? We no see no stinking ads!  |
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Chris 313
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| said by dadkins  :Ads? We no see no stinking ads! Can we say Adblock Plus? |
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a non mouse
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Re: A Joke, Karl?
Welcome to AOL |
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TamaraB
Question The Current Paradigm
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 ·Verizon Online DSL
| So now we are all consumers?
BULL! The only way these bums can "target" adverts in such a system is by violating the copyright of the website owner.
To "inject" adds into someones content means altering the content; a clear violation of the publisher's copyright protections.
Bob
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Chiyo
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| reply to Chris 313
Re: Ads?
So why do the rates keep rising and rising? This is unfair and the customer doesn't have a say in this.
Many people don't have another option and if they need / want HSI they must go with these greedy ISPs.
Anyone want to start an ISP of VPNs or something? just use my HSI account to tunnel into another network and do what I want with all my privacy intact?
I know severla people will yell "USE TOR" but in my opinion Tor SUCKS too much damn work and slows down my surfing. |
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wentlanc
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join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | reply to Chris 313
Bingo. I will NEVER click them, so I will block them. The net effect to websites who rely on advertising $$ == 0.
cw |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
| No wonder they've got tens of ISP's
interested, it's just what they have been looking for. Clickstream revenue just isn't enough, and this offers network protection from p2p bandwidth surges. The injected ads will be the toughest part, although customers just might be desensitized enough not to notice. |
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anonymousness
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5 bucks says comcast is one of the isps |
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TamaraB
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| reply to dadkins
Re: Ads?
Nor do I! However, what NebuAD is going to do, is essentially inject bogus content into legit website content. It will not be possible to differentiate between adverts and legit content.
So if you allow popups from one of your favorite sites, then NebuAD can also raise popup adverts. The same goes with scripting. I allow DSLREPORTS to execute scripts, because I trust DSLREPORTS; must I now trust NebuAD? Or do I disallow DSLREPORTS, greatly diminishing it's value?
The only way around this nonsense is a greater use of TOR and other proxies.
Bob
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit |  OptOut creates cookies with faireagle name
If you choose the Opt Out option they provide as seen from this link »www.nebuad.com/privacy/optout.php in the story above, it creates 2 cookies:
a.faireagle.com
b.faireagle.com
Whether they actually work or not, who knows.
Also adblock plus, with the Easylist subscription, blocks ads from both nebuad.com and faireagle.com.
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TamaraB
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| reply to Chiyo
Re: Ads?
said by Chiyo :I know severla people will yell "USE TOR" but in my opinion Tor SUCKS too much damn work and slows down my surfing. Very true. Perhaps what we need is a grass-roots consumer user movement to enhance the tor network. If we all give up just a little bit of bandwidth, we could, as a community of interest, make NebuAd as well as illegal government surveillance irrelevant.
Bob
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| reply to TamaraB
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Nor do I! However, what NebuAD is going to do, is essentially inject bogus content into legit website content. It will not be possible to differentiate between adverts and legit content.
Technically no that's not what they're doing. They developed a technology for WISPS that was incorrectly used by one Texas ISP.
Their primary focus is behavioral advertising, which yes, has its own problems. |
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TamaraB
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: OptOut creates cookies with faireagle name
said by TKJunkMail :Also adblock plus, with the Easylist subscription, blocks ads from both nebuad.com and faireagle.com. But the ads won't be coming from nebuad.com or from faireagle.com, they will "appear" to be coming from the site you are surfing.
Bob
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BabyBear
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| Two Words!
"Trust Us!"  Ugh. When ever anyone ever tells you that, do the exact opposite. 
Over the next 5-10 years see a big push in encryption coming. The information in the packets being sent across the internet are no ones business except the sender and receiver. |
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TKJunkMail
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| Here is an interview with Nebuad's CEO
This is an interview from Jan 3, 2008:
»www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3628009
Q. How do you obtain ad inventory and where do you serve the ads?
A. We buy the impressions from the ad networks. We are willing to buy from every ad network. Because of our micro-targeting capability, the CPMs we can charge our advertiser are quite a bit higher [than what networks can charge].
Q. So you're acting as an ad network yourselves.
A. Correct, but we don't want to replace existing ad networks we run on top of. We're not looking to buy directly from publishers. We're more interested in ad networks because they give us the best reach.
Q. Can you name any ad networks you're working with?
A. ValueClick would be a name.
Q. So why not share the names of ISPs you're working with?
A. Customers don't like their vendors talking about them. We are not going to be talking about our ISPs. They are going to be talking about their businesses. We do require them to tell their customers and provide an opt-out.
Q. How do they tell them?
A. They have different ways of doing it. Some say putting a notice in an invoice is the right way. Others believe sending an e-mail is the right way. For some of them, they have a privacy statement that completely covers what we're doing already. In their privacy statements they need to mention that their browsing activities are going to be monitored. P.S. I did a google search of Comcast's web site at comcast.com and there is no mention of nebuad or faireagle in any of their documents available to the public.
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TKJunkMail
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| reply to TamaraB
Re: OptOut creates cookies with faireagle name
said by TamaraB :said by TKJunkMail :Also adblock plus, with the Easylist subscription, blocks ads from both nebuad.com and faireagle.com. But the ads won't be coming from nebuad.com or from faireagle.com, they will "appear" to be coming from the site you are surfing. Bob I think you are wrong. Because my adblock plus list of hits lists both of those web domains as showing blocked hits. Unless you can show proof somewhere that says it works as you claim.
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Harold3
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| If this really takes off....
Expect web and current advertising firms to bite the bullet in increased CPU time so that everything is SSL encrypted and to restructure sites so that traffic analysis won't work. This would be a slow process ... about as slow as NebuAD uptake would likely be ... but these players, if they will spend the money have it in their power to ensure that ISPs remain providers of "dumb pipes".
Poisoning the well is seldom a good business strategy. |
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TamaraB
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| reply to Karl Bode
Re: Ads?
said by Karl Bode :Technically no that's not what they're doing...... OK, so here I am surfing DSLR, the article states that NebuAd will "target" ads to me. How is that possible, unless they alter packets to my "established (Cisco-Speak)" connection with DSLR?
Bob
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Sammer
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Canonsburg, PA | Another Reason ISPs Should be Dumb Pipes
The more ISPs become interested in things like this and filters that use DPI the more consumers will realize that ISPs really should be dumb pipes. |
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