hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| yep
According to the company, such "critical decisions should not be based on the demands of the vocal minority who make the most noise in public forums."
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LOL
give want the people want!
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | Wording should be clear....
Saying reasonable 40+ times doesn't make it clear. Tell the customers what they are doing, don't try to deny what they are doing. That has failed in the past and will fail again. |
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Unfortunate
| This will continue
People may as well get use to it, all major players that provide internet service seem prepared to start doing the same type of blocking and/or limiting what you can do with your internet.
More of how long will it be before this is put in place everywhere and can it be circumvented? And if it can be circumvented, that is why Time Warner just wants to bill you for usage.
Oh well.. Lose-Lose it seems for the end user in the long run. |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD | I have this gnawing feeling . . .
that if Comcast prevails in this investigation, they will use the findings to begin "traffic shaping" other protocols they deem unacceptable. |
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dsparil
@comcast.net | I just hope the investors win that lawsuit they've been threatening Comcast with not too long ago... How's that going anyway??? |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
|  Comcast changed AUP to admit to Connection tampering
Comcast already took one of the complaints to the FCC and made it moot. It changed their policy allowing them to do what they are doing on P2P connections
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080213/ap_···nation_3
On Jan. 25, it updated its online Acceptable Use Policy to specify that it reserved the right to break off file-sharing connections on congested cables.
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ajax25
join:2003-12-10
Colonia, NJ
| reply to Unfortunate
Re: This will continue
said by Unfortunate :
People may as well get use to it, all major players that provide internet service seem prepared to start doing the same type of blocking and/or limiting what you can do with your internet.
More of how long will it be before this is put in place everywhere and can it be circumvented? And if it can be circumvented, that is why Time Warner just wants to bill you for usage.
Oh well.. Lose-Lose it seems for the end user in the long run.
I don't think we'll see this with FIOS. |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
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join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs: | Traffic Shaping, Packet Forgery
quote:
Reasonable, reasonable, reasonable, reasonable, reasonable, reasonable...
Illegal, illegal, illegal, illegal, illegal, illegal... |
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ajax25
join:2003-12-10
Colonia, NJ | I guess they can do whatever they want as long as they
change their policy?
NOT |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
1 edit | reply to newview
Re: I have this gnawing feeling . . .
said by newview  :that if Comcast prevails in this investigation, they will use the findings to begin "traffic shaping" other protocols they deem unacceptable. Threats of an FCC investigation are basically toothless, anyway. Do you really believe the FCC will actually put a stop to business as usual while the telco errand boy is still at the helm? He would be treading in awfully shallow water to demonize a business practice that his beloved corporate telco masters will no doubt and have employed themselves. (cough AT&T cough Pearl Jam cough). The throttling of Internet traffic is tantamount to censorship, however, Essentially, Comcrap's version of same is a different stanza of the same song. |
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ajax25
join:2003-12-10
Colonia, NJ | reply to ajax25
Re: Traffic Shaping, Packet Forgery
This one is my favorite.
"Comcast gives consumers useful information about
its bandwidth management pratices" |
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factchecker
@cox.net
| Bull$hit !
It is not accurate to describe these reset packets as "forged," and Free Press's attempted analogy to a telephone operator impersonating the called and calling parties to a phone conversation is inflammatory hyperbole, not fact. Comcast is full of crap with that statement... They are doing exactly what Free Press accuses them of doing, forging packets.
Whenever anyone creates a packet with the IP address of another host, without actually being that host, they are spoofing or forging a packet. Sorry Comcast, you can't twist the facts on this one. If you are generating packets from WW.XX.YY.ZZ without actually being WW.XX.YY.ZZ, you are forging packets.
And the funny thing is, if anyone else tried to do what Comcast was doing, they would be quick to call it that - spoofing/forging packets - and they would quickly slap you down for it. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| vocal minority
Heh, sounds like Comcast is directly responding to this board.
Hey, I don't remember making any decisions here, I just vocalize my point of view. It's up to the FCC to make decisions, and they're appointed by those that the majority elected. The FCC never came to me asking for my help in their decision making. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
| reply to ajax25
Re: Traffic Shaping, Packet Forgery
said by ajax25 :This one is my favorite. "Comcast gives consumers useful information about its bandwidth management pratices" AHAHAHHAHAH That's a classic PR BS LIE.
Heh, they've been using this technique for MONTHS before the press finally became aware of it. And all that time they were denying EVERYTHING.
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
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127.0.0.1
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·RoadRunner Cable
·Time Warner Cable
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1 edit | Forgery IS Illegal, illegal, illegal, illegal, illegal
Forgery is the process of making or adapting objects or documents (see false document), with the intent to deceive. The similar crime of fraud is the crime of deceiving another, including through the use of objects obtained through forgery. Copies, studio replicas, and reproductions are not considered forgeries, though they may later become forgeries through knowing and willful mis-attributions.
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JasonD
@comcast.net
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TKJunkMail
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Comcast changed AUP to admit to Connection tampering
Now they need to find a method to 'disable' the p2p download side. Imagine the immediate relief their network would feel if this burden could be lifted, not to mention the cost savings. |
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
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join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
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·Comcast
| reply to ajax25
Re: Traffic Shaping, Packet Forgery
said by ajax25 :I guess they can do whatever they want as long as they change their policy? NOT Not in my state anyway: (bold's are mine)
said by CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 502(c) :
CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE 502(c)
"COMPREHENSIVE COMPUTER DATA ACCESS AND FRAUD ACT"
(1) Knowingly accesses and without permission alters, damages,
deletes, destroys, or otherwise uses any data, computer, computer
system, or computer network in order to either (A) devise or execute
any scheme or artifice to defraud, deceive, or extort, or (B)
wrongfully control or obtain money, property, or data.
(2) Knowingly accesses and without permission takes, copies, or
makes use of any data from a computer, computer system, or computer
network, or takes or copies any supporting documentation, whether
existing or residing internal or external to a computer, computer
system, or computer network.
(3) Knowingly and without permission uses or causes to be used
computer services.
(4) Knowingly accesses and without permission adds, alters,
damages, deletes, or destroys any data, computer software, or
computer programs which reside or exist internal or external to a
computer, computer system, or computer network.
(5) Knowingly and without permission disrupts or causes the
disruption of computer services or denies or causes the denial of
computer services to an authorized user of a computer, computer
system, or computer network.
(6) Knowingly and without permission provides or assists in
providing a means of accessing a computer, computer system, or
computer network in violation of this section.
(7) Knowingly and without permission accesses or causes to be
accessed any computer, computer system, or computer network.
(8) Knowingly introduces any computer contaminant into any
computer, computer system, or computer network.
(9) Knowingly and without permission uses the Internet domain name
of another individual, corporation, or entity in connection with the
sending of one or more electronic mail messages, and thereby damages
or causes damage to a computer, computer system, or computer
network.
ref: »nsi.org/Library/Compsec/computer···forn.txt |
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newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
| reply to ajax25
said by ajax25 :This one is my favorite. "Comcast gives consumers useful information about its bandwidth management pratices" LIARS . . . again |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26 | What's perfectly reasonable,
and becoming more justifiable with each passing day, are my reasons for dumping their service over a year ago.
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factchecker
@cox.net
| reply to JasonD
Re: Comcast changed AUP to admit to Connection tampering
said by JasonD :
Now they need to find a method to 'disable' the p2p download side. Imagine the immediate relief their network would feel if this burden could be lifted, not to mention the cost savings. Yeah, and imagine what the customer attrition would do to them when suddenly people can't "Download music, photos and videos way faster than DSL and dial-up"...
Customers just love being lied to... |
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