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Comments on news posted 2008-02-13 12:16:46: Facing an investigation by the FCC for their traffic shaping practices, Comcast last week quietly changed their terms of service. ..

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hmmm

@comcast.net

Commucast

Ya I have it and the moment Fios comes to town I'm gone. Unless of course they spy on you for the NSA like AT@T did and does and will continue to do. In fact AT@T captures ever single packet and lovingly sends it to the NSA not just for certain users. If only I could find a law abiding fair play broadband telecommunications provider.

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Re: Commucast

You must leave the Great Satan for that to happen.

NiteCloak

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Throttling my uploads


I'm not nearly as smart as most of you posting here but I do know this:

I've been a customer of Comcast's for 10 years now and two things are extremely apparent:-

1. I am now paying 30% more for 800% less upload bandwidth that I had when I first subscribed with them. i.e. Somewhere between 85MBits/s and 256MBits/s versus the 2000+MBits/s I originally received.

2. When my wife tries to upload a bunch of pictures to Shutterfly, if she attempts to upload say 30 or more pictures totaling 100MBytes or more, our 256MBits/s upload visibly throttles back till the point that she is getting upload speeds less than we used to get with a 56K baud modem. My wife knows _nothing_ of the internet or its inner workings and isn't tech at all but even SHE has figured out that if she uploads the images in small batches of no more than 5 images at a time totaling no more than 3 to 5 MBytes she is able to maintain a much more satisfactory upload rate.

I know this isn't Shutterfly's doing and it certainly isn't her hardware as she runs a new $3,500+ machine.

Comcast are liars basically. Sadly they are the monopoly in so many places that they really don't give a crap.

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Re: Throttling my uploads

said by NiteCloak :

Comcast are liars basically.
Just because they lied about their throttling of P2P in the past doesn't mean they'll lie about it again.

It's amusing that the PDF of Comcast's comments to the FCC is protected so I can't copy a quote out of it. Instead I have to type it in by hand (or use a viewer that breaks the copy protection). Anyway, it says:

Comcast ... only delays P2P protocols until such a time as usage drops below an established threshold of simultaneous unidirectional sessions
RRRick, et. al. : excuse me, but what the heck does that mean exactly?

Based on my testing and experience, if there are ANY unencrypted unidirectional P2P sessions, they are ALL blocked. It doesn't matter how many of them there are or what time of day or day of the week it is.

Another interesting statistic in there is that 27% of homes wired for (so-called) comcast Internet connectivity (13 of 48 million homes) subscribe to it.
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Tigerpaw509
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Dump the junk

Perhaps if comcast would drop the 100 channels of crap that no one watches they would have some more bandwidth.Also stop counting HD movies that are available as channels

i1me2ao
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Re: Dump the junk

agreed..

How many

@amazon.com

How many are able to do WHAT?

I've never really seen a satisfactory answer to this query.

How can X (insert the tiny amount of people who are forcing Comcast to 'shape" or "filter") people affect EVERYONE ELSE?

Seriously.

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Re: How many are able to do WHAT?

said by How many :

I've never really seen a satisfactory answer to this query.

How can X (insert the tiny amount of people who are forcing Comcast to 'shape" or "filter") people affect EVERYONE ELSE?

Seriously.
I'll try to answer this.

CableTV companies planned and configured their systems several years ago based on a model that showed that most people generally download much, much more than they upload.

Comcast's "last mile" networks are generally configured under that model. As a result, you and your 250-500 immediate neighbors share the same 10 Mbps of upload capacity.

For this reason, if 15-20 people start uploading at "full-throttle," the upload path from your neighborhood to Comcast is full. Treated equally, all traffic begins to be delayed or dropped.

The controversy is -- well whose fault is that? What should be changed?

The sides of this controversy seem to be:

1. Comcast should not sell broadband bandwidth that it cannot reasonably deliver. If they do so, then it is Comcast's responsibility to deliver bandwidth that they sold. Comcast should never inspect or interfere with packets transiting between its network and the Internet.

This is the most "network neutral" position.

This position sounds great, but there is a drawback -- should Comcast attempt to stop attacks from the Internet aimed at your IP address?

2. Customers should expect Comcast to cater to them less if their demands are unusual or extreme. Instead, such customers should expect Comcast to best service those with more common service needs. To accomplish this, Comcast should take any reasonable measures that delay or stop certain unpopular, bandwidth-heavy or dangerous traffic.

This sounds great too, but it basically means that Comcast can block your attempts to upload your political views to the You Tube since downloading the political views of others is more popular.

This is the least "network neutral" position.

3. Savvy power-users should expect that the Comcast network will be tuned to satisfy the most-requested features of their customers. However, to assist power-users, Comcast should openly disclose any measures that they take that violate the principles of Network Neutrality and the Internet Standards as published by the IETF.

The downside of this is that you have to continually look or ask -- you can't expect your network to be neutral.

4. This is a revision of #3, the only difference being is that the network is configured as neutrally as possible by default -- and if you want any enhanced protections or services, you must ask for them first.

The downside of this is that most users don't know to ask for the ISP to block certain attacks.
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Archangelsky

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The main problem

The main problem is that comcrap has a monopoly in most of their service areas. Like most of the other providers. They know they can screw their customers any way they want, because their customers can't choose another provider for broadband service, or tv service.
Bend over. Don't bother to pucker up.
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