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| Must be law
or telco and cable operators will abuse their market position to steer customers to their own commercial partners or own services (eg cable telephony).
At best telco and cable operators will try and double dip, charing both content providers and customers to deliver the same content. |
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JasonD
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| The problem is multi-media content...
and the illegal trade that bittorrent and p2p allow. The internet wasn't designed for it, and no ISP got into the business imagining at some point that they would be forced to provide these incredible bandwidth loads. Things are becoming progressively worse as youtube, netflix, xbox marketplace, itunes movie rentals, et al, are increasingly enticing users.
Ultimately one of three things must happen. Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
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| What broadband investment?
"It would enact a new broadband policy for the United States that would include unprecedented regulation of the Internet," the company says. "As such, this bill will jeopardize billions in badly needed Internet investment and stifle broadband deployment." AT&T's current investment in broadband is at best anemic and U. S. deployment is already stifled. |
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woody7
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| pffttt.....
that's the problem with this country.......we have to study, have endless committees, check, recheck, hold droning mind numbing panels with boring mind numbing panelists, hold a hearing or 2, hold more hearings, add a little more procrastination, make bogus mind numbing pointless comments, clear their throats, wax poetic about the good times,introduce legislation that is meaningless, and extol the virtues of the useless legislation that was just passed. End of rant.Peace 
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Brian Roberts
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Re: The problem is multi-media content...
said by JasonD :
You know, the one that they paid for.
I'm sure they paid for every penny, and the right of way to use the countless miles of public infrastructure. Those gov't tax breaks, subsidies, etc... those were all just what they deserved to begin with. Those poor, poor telecoms. How dare the big scary gov't take an interest in public infrastructure not dominated by a local monopoly. tisk tisk |
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Captain Obvious
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said by JasonD :
Ultimately one of three things must happen. Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for.
You mean the one that the users paid for, right? |
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Dogfather
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1 edit | reply to JasonD
said by JasonD :
The internet wasn't designed for it, and no ISP got into the business imagining at some point that they would be forced to provide these incredible bandwidth loads. Then these same ISPs shouldn't be promising "crazy fast speeds" for "faster surfing", "faster video" and "faster music".
The problem are a few ISPs promising what THEIR networks can't deliver.
There is good reason Verizon is spending over $20 billion on fiber deloyment.
There is a mint to be made on these bandwidth intensive goodies.
Without Netflix, Google, Apple and the others, no customers would need broadband. |
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jc100
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Re: pffttt.....
And then come to the wrong decision which costs 100s of millions. Then, six months later, arrive at a new decision once sub committee one decides sub committee 2 used flawed data. Then sub committee 3 interjects and says both are incorrect. Hence, leading to another failure. After 15 or 20 years a final decision is made costing 10s of billions over the initial 10 million budget. Ah yes, that's more like it. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to Dogfather
Re: Must be law
Contact you congressperson here:
»savetheinternet.com/=act |
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TKJunkMail
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| reply to JasonD
Re: The problem is multi-media content...
said by JasonD :
and the illegal trade that bittorrent and p2p allow. The internet wasn't designed for it, and no ISP got into the business imagining at some point that they would be forced to provide these incredible bandwidth loads. Things are becoming progressively worse as youtube, netflix, xbox marketplace, itunes movie rentals, et al, are increasingly enticing users.
Ultimately one of three things must happen. Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for.
Yours is the most logical conclusion. Therefore most here will disagree with it. They want all this extra bandwidth without paying for it.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | To the contrary;
ISPs want to promise all this extra bandwidth without planning for it. |
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TKJunkMail
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1 edit | reply to Ahrenl
Re: Must be law
Or go here for some facts:
»handsoff.org/blog/net-neutrality···fidence/
»handsoff.org/blog/quick-facts
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Dogfather
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1 edit | Facts brought to you by The New AT&T.
Handsoff.org is the posterchild for Astroturfing.
Hands off reality, hands off our money tree, hands off our oligopoly would be more approporiate domain names for the Merc groups propaganda site.
No thanks. |
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pnh102
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| Ed Markey is Unqualified
This is the same guy who was whining about the iPhone not working with carriers other than AT&T even though it is technologically impossible for the phone in its current form to work with Verizon Wireless, Sprint, Alltel, or any other non-GSM carrier.
Perhaps he needs to gain a better understanding of technology before he spearheads ill-informed "reform" down our throats.
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pnh102
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| reply to Sammer
Re: What broadband investment?
said by Sammer :AT&T's current investment in broadband is at best anemic and U. S. deployment is already stifled. What about FIOS? Surely you can't claim that people who use FIOS are getting "stifled Internet."
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to jc100
Re: pffttt.....
Pretty much sums up our current broadband policy! |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| already useless
Any net neutrality law in the works right now is useless. Since Comcast's throttling is "reasonably network management" and [my quote] "standard practices by the industry", there is no discrimination against traffic, its just the way TCP works
Unless the Feds specifically quote RFCs as being law and any violation of them violates net neutrality + something against timing issues/packet loss slowing down, or dropping packets that, or dropping packets that aren't full (1500 bytes) (dropping packets that aren't full destroys any VOIP usage, since the data will have to be queues up in the TCPIP stack and that creates massive latency, one phone company is guilty of this, OTE of Greece "OTE has also been criticized for artificially limiting the number of packets passing per second through an ADSL line (probably unjustly, since ATM DSLAMs limit packets when they are congested, and no packet limitation appears in ΟΤΕ's brand new IP DSLAMs or in ones with enough bandwidth), thus making VoIP services over its broadband network unusable and unreliable" »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_···n_Greece ) |
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Thaler
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1 edit | reply to JasonD
Re: The problem is multi-media content...
said by JasonD :
The internet wasn't designed for it The internet wasn't designed to transfer files, no sir! 
said by JasonD :
Subscribers will have to pay more so ISP's can keep up, content providers will have to pay ISP's so they can keep up, or ISP's will be allowed to control their network. You know, the one that they paid for.
Ya know, consumers are already chipping in a fair amount of cash to their ISP to keep the network running smoothly & updated - it isn't all access fees (or at least it'd be extremely short-sighted for an ISP to not do so!). I mean, what next, ISPs forging fake packets to high-bandwidth sites like YouTube or iTunes because of "excessive use"? |
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Sammer
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1 edit | reply to pnh102
Re: What broadband investment?
Nope those of us getting FIOS or other fiber are the lucky ones but AT&T is larger than Verizon and has admitted to only wanting to spend a third of what it takes. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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Re: Must be law
"Hands Off The Internet believes that the best way to avoid burdensome and unnecessary regulation and mandates is by ensuring that market forces deliver the benefits that only fair competition...
I haven't seen any fair competition yet; I haven't seen competition AT ALL, fair or otherwise. I eagerly await the day when I have more than one broadband provider to choose from.
...can bring to the American consumer - maximum choice in supplier, content and technology.For example, recent years have shown that companies have raced to develop a variety of high-speed Internet access systems, including cable wire, DSL and wireless. These events were competition in its purest form, and we directly benefited consumers through lower prices.
the sentence in bold should be nominated for best fictional statement of the year; there is no meaningful competition in the U.S. market and there won't be any for years to come. |
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