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Comments on news posted 2008-02-22 10:08:39: Blowing past other recent advancements in high-speed, short range wireless technologies, Researchers in Melbourne, Australia are working on a $10 chip that can transmit data at 5Gbps over ten meters. ..

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Smith6612
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Cool!

Where does this thing get it's power from though? Otherwise, this would be a very nice enhancement for stuff if it can transmit through walls well as well. And $10 for a chip like this? That's cheap!

rob_in_chatt
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small chip

that looks like the one that will be inserted in everyone as they are born in about 25 years or so............

Steimes
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said by Smith6612:

Where does this thing get it's power from though? Otherwise, this would be a very nice enhancement for stuff if it can transmit through walls well as well. And $10 for a chip like this? That's cheap!
I imagine it would use a thin film battery.

The range of this device is very limited... which is actually a good thing for the type of applications it might be used for.

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said by Smith6612:

Where does this thing get it's power from though? Otherwise, this would be a very nice enhancement for stuff if it can transmit through walls well as well. And $10 for a chip like this? That's cheap!
This is really cool, but it costs about $10 to manufacture. They have to recoup costs for research and overhead, so it'll cost much more than that when it comes to market, but if it becomes widespread, the costs will go down dramatically. I like in the article how it mentions a video kiosk can upload a movie in seconds then you can download a movie in seconds when you get home. Even though we are moving to a home delivery via broadband, that would still be a meat idea for many applications.
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Yawn ...

So how is this different than what SiBeam or any of the other 60 GHz companies are doing?

Melbourne University issues yet another press release, the Aussie press picks it up due to national pride, and everybody gets excited.

greendragon
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Here you go, I think you dropped this tinfoil hat back there...

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Huh

And you would need an HD film on a phone because?

hopeflicker
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$125 after all is said and done
plus a 5yr contract at $200month
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Nah, that one is a lot smaller and shaped like a pin, but smaller. Spying on people will take less throughput than a movie requires.

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And you would need an HD film on a phone because?
because teh sheeple will buy it, that's because.

Transmaster
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ARRRGH! you said Transfer


Binars raiding a Video store.
This article mentions the two dirtiest words in the lexicon of the MPAA, and the RIAA; transfer, and content. They will soon have a joint press release stating pirates will use this chip to remotely suck the content from the video, and CD stores they visit.

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And you would need an HD film on a phone because?
Because pretty soon you'll be able to use a laser projector that is built in your phone to project a much bigger picture than any built in screen.

»popsci.typepad.com/popsc ··· pre.html

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said by Smith6612:

Where does this thing get it's power from though? Otherwise, this would be a very nice enhancement for stuff if it can transmit through walls well as well. And $10 for a chip like this? That's cheap!
Its range is 10 meters or less(about 11 yards or 33 feet). Great for devices in an entertainment center talking to each other or as a replacement for bluetooth between PCs, cell phones, MP3 players, etc.

For moving data around a house, this isn't the technology.
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So how is this different than what SiBeam or any of the other 60 GHz companies are doing?

Melbourne University issues yet another press release, the Aussie press picks it up due to national pride, and everybody gets excited.
Isn't Melbourne University the same group that is involved in holding up the 802.11n standard over a patent dispute?

802.11n holdup by Csiro
»www.computerworld.com.au ··· 69830231
Melbourne Univ & Csiro tie-ins
»www.research.unimelb.edu ··· b/csiro/

RadioDoc

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RadioDoc

Clarification

"Two watts of power over ten meters" implies the device transmits two watts of power. This is incorrect. It uses two watts of power and transmits over 10 meters. That's 2000 mAH and would be a huge drain in devices like cell phones.

These components will enable things like thumb drives to transfer data without being physically connected to the source or destination, which is an interesting application. It's also after the "wireless" (literally) home theater installation where everything is connected via short-haul radio signals. Mostly, it's a replacement in Bluetooth-type applications.
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new name

the killer app is to transfer video from device to device (probably hi-def) so, how about a new name:

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Off topic but I like your tag line.

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said by RadioDoc:

It uses two watts of power and transmits over 10 meters. That's 2000 mAH and would be a huge drain in devices like cell phones.
How did you get to the 2000mAh value??? Fuzzy math???
Energy=Watts*Time=Volts*Amps*Time

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lazy? or worthless?

"to quickly allow users to transfer HD films or other massive content between cellphone and PC. "

Too bad it will only be useful in a new generation of suitcase phones, to have enough battery and 50 gig's of flash memory.

( is putting a DVD in that hard?)

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That's not an HD projector, it's barely EDTV at 848x400.

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said by RadioDoc:

It uses two watts of power and transmits over 10 meters. That's 2000 mAH and would be a huge drain in devices like cell phones.
How did you get to the 2000mAh value??? Fuzzy math???
Energy=Watts*Time=Volts*Amps*Time
Let's see now...most of these devices run at 1-3 volts and two watts would require 2000 mAh at one volt for one hour. If you wish, we can assume three volts and a little less than 700 milliamp-hours. Either way it's a huge power drain in a battery-operated device, which is usually expected to run far longer than an hour on charge.

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said by RadioDoc:

"Two watts of power over ten meters" implies the device transmits two watts of power. This is incorrect. It uses two watts of power and transmits over 10 meters. That's 2000 mAH and would be a huge drain in devices like cell phones.

These components will enable things like thumb drives to transfer data without being physically connected to the source or destination, which is an interesting application. It's also after the "wireless" (literally) home theater installation where everything is connected via short-haul radio signals. Mostly, it's a replacement in Bluetooth-type applications.
I was thinking the same thing. This device will absolutely kill the battery of any cell phone its used in. Running AIM on your Blackberry alone will cut your battery life in half, I can only imagine what this chip would do! Still not a bad idea, but probably meant more for home appliances and PC's that have robust batteries or power supplies.

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Re: Huh

Not yet, but give it time and I bet they will refine the technology.

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Here you go, I think you dropped this tinfoil hat back there...
No, he just forgot that Bush's term is almost up.
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I knew we couldn't trust those Aussies - er, I mean, hey Justin, how ya doin, buddy?!?

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Re: Clarification

It's a great technology for avoiding connecting cables between AC-Powered devices or those which only see occasional use like thumb drive-type portable storage, but putting this in a cell phone as the linked article suggests is absurd.
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said by RadioDoc:

It's a great technology for avoiding connecting cables between AC-Powered devices or those which only see occasional use like thumb drive-type portable storage, but putting this in a cell phone as the linked article suggests is absurd.
Plus, at 60 GHz, I don't think it'll play well with solid objects.

RadioDoc

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RadioDoc

It plays just fine. Ping pong.
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Hmm

I can see many MP3 players, and phones in the future using this chip.

Would be a great way to connect my MP3 player to the PC. Would be faster than USB as well.

DHRacer
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Picture misleading

I looked at the picture before looking at the title of this thread and wondered why there was a discussion of what looked like a booger.

Other than that, it's cool tech. Whether it can be used for its intended purposes without drawing a lawsuit from the mafIAA is something to be seen.
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