how-to block ads
|
|
view: topics flat text |
|
Comments on news posted 2008-02-22 12:00:35: Last month Public Knowledge penned a piece that suggested that Connected Nation, a group supposedly created to push a national broadband policy, was actually now essentially a baby bell lobbying effort. ..
|
 | | If thats true.... If telcos are setting up bogus, or semi-legit organizations to spew their propaganda, then shouldn't they be under the scrutiny of local public utility commissions?
This should go for cablecos too!
--
"There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion."....Winston Churchill
| |
| | | | Re: If thats true.... said by S_engineer:If telcos are setting up bogus, or semi-legit organizations to spew their propaganda, then shouldn't they be under the scrutiny of local public utility commissions? This should go for cablecos too! You mean in the same manner bogus, quasi-legit orgs spew propaganda for seemingly grass-roots/consumer/citizen-oriented issues are "scrutinized"?
Keep dreaming. Most people are idiots and believe whatever their religion/the TV tells them. There isn't a patch for stupidity. | |
|
 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | There's a problem with this argument The article states that in many cases the group goes to rural or under served areas and pitches broadband as a way to improve various situations. However, it then goes on to say that instead of pitching a CLEC or local ISP, they are pitching Bell South DSL. The reality of the situation is that there probably isnt a local ISP or CLEC in Bumblefork Kentucky, so the argument holds no water.
--
с новым годом | |
| | | | Re: There's a problem with this argument Hate to disagree but I disagree. Most of the areas do have local ISP's but Connect Kentucky would still push the Bell's. Don't know where Bumblefork kentucky is at is that close to Sorryweain'tuptosnuff New York? | |
| | | | | Re: There's a problem with this argument Man, I'm sure sick of hearing BFE or "Bumblefork" Kentucky...those who say that have obviously never been here. | |
| | | | wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | Re: There's a problem with this argument said by satellite68:Man, I'm sure sick of hearing BFE or "Bumblefork" Kentucky...those who say that have obviously never been here. When did I ever say I had been there?? I simply pointed out that in some cases there is no local alternative to Bell and that its not some huge conspiracy that Kentucky Connect recommends them. What part of that is hard to understand??
--
с новым годом | |
|
| | |
| | McCain might get lucky again Who says money is everything for McCane all it takes is a lobbyist in the bed  ) | |
| | lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | Re: McCain might get lucky again I've heard eloquent plagiarized speeches work just as well.  | |
|
 gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | Welfare of consumer? They are a for profit business arent they? Its more likely they are advocating for their own interests more than incumbents.
--
~ Don't you ever give up, Don't ever give in. Were going to make it ~ Damian Marley | |
|  SlickEnWPremium
join:2003-01-21
Seattle, WA | Wow how long has this group existed? Apparently they arn't doing much cuz the US Still sucks when it comes to broadband.
THanks, though. | |
| RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | "it's absolutely ingenious in a robustly amoral way" It's the new black!
While I'm sure Karl Bode  is right we also know his predilection toward incumbent hatin' (often justly earned) but this group seems to have co-opted itself.
Being absolutely ingenious in a robustly amoral way has been standard operating practice for US corporations over the last decade so it should not be a surprise to anyone that these puppet shows are funded by said corporations.
--
Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
|  djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:1
 ·Verizon Wireless..
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·VOIPo
·PHONE POWER
1 edit | Ah terrific, another study quote:
according to the group, just a 7% spike in broadband adoption would save $6.4 billion in vehicle mileage, and $662 million in health-care costs ($217 per person).
And how have they determined that those 7% who "adopt" broadband are going to do something other than play FPS shooters and watch porn on their new connections? Not that there's anything wrong with either of those things!
Telecommuting is great, but very few companies actually allow it. And broadband has great potential for productivity, but it simply won't alter everyone's lives in such a staggering manner. Some, like me, depend on it for work, but for a large number of folks, it's simply a faster, more convenient form of internet access than dialup.
Maybe they should stop wasting so much money on these studies and use that cash towards getting actual connectivity to these underserviced areas.
--
Laser eye surgery rocks! I love frickin' laser beams. | |
| | | | Re: Ah terrific, another study said by djrobx: quote:
according to the group, just a 7% spike in broadband adoption would save $6.4 billion in vehicle mileage, and $662 million in health-care costs ($217 per person).
And how have they determined that those 7% who "adopt" broadband are going to do something other than play FPS shooters and watch porn on their new connections? Not that there's anything wrong with either of those things! Telecommuting is great, but very few companies actually allow it. And broadband has great potential for productivity, but it simply won't alter everyone's lives in such a staggering manner. Some, like me, depend on it for work, but for a large number of folks, it's simply a faster, more convenient form of internet access than dialup. I agree:
»Re: Wow
--
My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
|
garmst
join:2000-09-17
New York, NY | No "National Broadband Policy" is needed Internet Connectivity is taking care of itself at a natural pace simply because the free market fills needs. The is no National Food Policy but everyone has plenty of food to eat, in countless versions and quality and in amounts to promote grand obesity.
I really hear no significant complaints in the general "masses" save a couple. The only large scale whining is in forums such as these. To spend $134 billion and likely much more (Government spending being as "efficient" as it is) for a handful of whiners is worse than the outlandish welfare spending to encourage most people not to work.
We already have significant private investment wiring, rewiring, overhauling, speeding up, ad nauseum out Internet. That it does not happen overnight is shows the lack of reality posesed by the whiners.
Nothing happens overnight, ESPECIALLY when done by the government.
New York City has been waiting 50 years for a subway tunnel to be dug on 2nd Avenue. And this is just a HOLE with concrete decoration. Almost 7 years and Ground Zero is still empty. The list is endless.
Everyday, more VZ techs lay fiber and connect netizens, same for ATT is a somewhat less desirous way, Cell systems upgrade, WiMax rolls toward completion, etc.
Read a few books, travel a little round the world, TALK to your friends and loved ones. One day you'll discover it has arrived.
Or will you EVER be happy and satisfied.......... | |
| | | | Re: No "National Broadband Policy" is needed said by garmst: The is no National Food Policy but everyone has plenty of food to eat, in countless versions and quality and in amounts to promote grand obesity. Not everyone. Suggest you remove the rosecolored glasses, Pollyanna. | |
| | | | I hear what you are saying, and I was wondering if you could help me to better understand a few things. As I am sure you can see I live in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. At least that is what my mail, and area code say, but really I live about 5 miles out of town. I have talked to a few of the AT&T linemen, and they have told me that there is a fiber line at the end of my road, and a RT about a mile from there. Every time I see them at the RT and choose to stop and ask them if they are putting in DSL; they tell me "sorry no thats what everyone asks, but I don't think they will ever put DSL out here." After calling Cox 5 times and asking them how much it would cost ME to have them build their network to my home they said they had no plans to build out here, but if theydid it would be about $300,000 a mile. I also used to work for the cable company that took down Cox's old network, and they did not pay us anything like $300,000 a mile. I am sure I could get a few of my friends and we could ran out ten miles of their network for a generous $150,000 a mile, if they had plans to build out this way.
You probable do not know a lot about the area, but over a million people come to the area a year to vacation, and a lot of them ask if there is a broadband connection at the cabin they will be renting on the lake. The answer is no. Do you think they are just making small talk and really have no interest in a broadband connection while on vacation? The highway department is putting in a few hundred million dollar road to handle all the traffic. I also live about 30 miles from the corporate office of the #1 retail business in the WORLD "Wal-mart" that insists its vendor bring a office here to do business with them, and they do. A lot of those corporate employs live out my way.
So, my question to you is just how much more need does there need to be to have this natural pace manifest itself? When I am told by both local provider that they have no plans to provide service how can these statements be true?
"No "National Broadband Policy" is needed
"Internet Connectivity is taking care of itself at a natural pace simply because the free market fills needs." | |
| | | | | Re: No "National Broadband Policy" is needed said by lvlorpheus:I hear what you are saying, and I was wondering if you could help me to better understand a few things. As I am sure you can see I live in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. ... So, my question to you is just how much more need does there need to be to have this natural pace manifest itself? When I am told by both local provider that they have no plans to provide service how can these statements be true? "No "National Broadband Policy" is needed "Internet Connectivity is taking care of itself at a natural pace simply because the free market fills needs." WildBlue is available today. From $50/month.
No need for the taxpayers to spend a cool million just to wire your house 5 miles outside of a town 30 miles from nowhere.
That may sound harsh, but we're already being taken by the USF and the Al Gore taxes; heck, it took us 100 years to get rid of the Spanish-American war tax. We don't need another "National Broadband Tax" to subsidize folks in Podunk, when satellite coverage is already in place.
If that doesn't cut if for you, then its time for you to form your own WiFi coop with your neighbors and share a T-1. | |
|
| | There are better models How about reporting on better models like »utopianet.org A non-profit company owns the fiber. A for-profit company does the infrastructure. There are currently 4 different providers. There isn't a big price difference, so they need to compete on service. Example service is $50 for 50mbps up and down with a 500 GB/month cap. $20 for additional 100 GB/month. All business and residential customers in a city are connected.
A major lobbying effort from the Qwest and Comcast kept the largest city out of the plan. The original plan had AT&T as the anchor tenant. Looks like they have bailed.
It would be interesting to see plans like that in more places.
Thanks--Allen | |
| | |  Art Brodsky is on target
ConnectKY absolutely is and has been a waste of money and they HAVE NOT brought that high percentage of penetration they claim. Their maps are totally inflated and are designed to make themselves look good.
Ask the ISPs in Kentucky who has been around several years and they will fill your ears about Connect KY. They have watched while control over telcos has been moved away from the state Public Service Commission and taken to the FCC under Kevin Martin's leadership. It is widely known Martin wanted and accomplished deregulation of the phone companies.
So anyone who tells you that Connected Nation is a good idea is flat wrong. It's parent, ConnectKY was created by one of the most corrupt administrations in the state's history and is purely political. | |
| | | If AT&T is supporting this.....
History does repeat itself.... | |
|
| |
|
