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Comments on news posted 2008-02-26 09:03:53: New Hampshire regulators have given their approval for the sale of Verizon's New England DSL and landline networks to Fairpoint Communications. The $2.7 billion deal is a financial boon for Verizon, eliminating $1. ..

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daslog

join:2002-04-10
Milford, NH

As I've said from the start

This was always a done deal. (you can even look up my posts)


tenpin784
I Went To The Dark Side?

join:2001-03-30
Brierfield, AL

telephone service

Telephone service as we know it will now get worse then it was, which I didn't think was possible.

Sweet.


Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
kudos:39
reply to daslog

Re: As I've said from the start

Who could have possibly predicted American regulators would approve a massive deal involving Verizon, one of the most powerful lobbying companies in the nation?

Nuts65

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH

Who's next

I wonder which state(s) are next on the sell list. I'm sure Ohio is on the short list. Just need to find another sucker.


Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
kudos:39
They've been wanting to get rid of upstate NY for a while...


Mactron
el Camino Real
Premium
join:2001-12-16
PRK
reply to tenpin784

Re: telephone service

said by tenpin784:

Telephone service as we know it will now get worse then it was, which I didn't think was possible.

Sweet.
Yup, look how well Hawaiian Telcom (The Carlyle Group) did after VZ dumped Hawaii in 2005. Your future has has come before.
--
If only the Verizon CSRs worked this well.


FFH5
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
reply to tenpin784
said by tenpin784:

Telephone service as we know it will now get worse then it was, which I didn't think was possible.

Sweet.
At least you have a company that WANTS TO do business in the area. Verizon wanted out. Service under Fairpoint should improve over what Verizon offered. The main opponents of this deal from the beginning were the overpaid union workers. Some of them may lose their jobs and costs should come down as a result.
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bogey7806

join:2004-03-19
Here
kudos:1
reply to tenpin784
Americans always get what they truly want... or at least pay for.


RadioDoc
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
La Grange, IL
kudos:2
reply to FFH5
Costs may come down, but you know prices won't.
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Toolmaster of La Grange.

slls

join:2007-01-28
Bangor, ME
When I can't afford Fairpoint then I will switch, I have other options.


LD 50

join:2000-08-28
Milford, NH

1 recommendation

easy.

Any place they cannot cheaply lay fiber. Narrows it down a bit.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to Nuts65

Re: Who's next

didnt they release a list at one time about states they wanted to get rid of? Ohio, Michigan and Indiana was on it. With like Karl said Upstate NY

viperlmw
Premium
join:2005-01-25
reply to FFH5

Re: telephone service

said by FFH5:

~snip~ The main opponents of this deal from the beginning were the overpaid union workers. Some of them may lose their jobs and costs should come down as a result.
How the hell do you define overpaid? Do you know what the pay scale for techs there is? If so, please post it so we can be enlightened as to what you think overpaid is. Until then, please stop the passive-aggressive (or any other kind of) Union attacks!


gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall

join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
reply to LD 50

Re: easy.

No, its based on ROI(Return on investment). Say they make 80% profit in an area, they like that.
Another area only makes 35% profit, thier time and energy is better spent on the 80% areas for their bonuses and shareholders.
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Vista ~ Less functional every day!


Dolgan
Premium
join:2005-10-01
Sun Prairie, WI

1 recommendation

reply to FFH5

Re: telephone service

quote:
The main proponents of this deal from the beginning were the overpaid Verizon Executives. Some of them should lose their jobs and costs would come down as a result
Corrected your post for errors.

Nuts65

join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH
reply to Karl Bode

Re: Who's next

Maybe we should start a pool on who is next.


Vox

@verizon.net
reply to FFH5

Re: telephone service

Yeah, you know what you're are talking about. Consumer opposition runs about 90%. I live in NH...Google the local papers and read the consumer comments before posting such nonsense. "Service under FairPointshould improve"...we are going from fiber to DSL connection speeds. If you think that is an improvement, I got a bridge to sell you.

PDXPLT

join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
reply to viperlmw
said by viperlmw:

said by FFH5:

~snip~ The main opponents of this deal from the beginning were the overpaid union workers. Some of them may lose their jobs and costs should come down as a result.
How the hell do you define overpaid? Do you know what the pay scale for techs there is? If so, please post it so we can be enlightened as to what you think overpaid is. Until then, please stop the passive-aggressive (or any other kind of) Union attacks!
Well, since the unions have monopoly power over the supply of labor to Verizon, many would consider them by definition "overpaid", i.e., Verizon is required to pay more in order to purchase labor, than they otherwise would have to, for what the market value of that labor would be in a free competitive market.


tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:9
Reviews:
·G4 Communications
·Fairpoint Commun..
·Hollis Hosting
said by PDXPLT:

Well, since the unions have monopoly power over the supply of labor to Verizon, many would consider them by definition "overpaid", i.e., Verizon is required to pay more in order to purchase labor, than they otherwise would have to, for what the market value of that labor would be in a free competitive market.
Why is it when Labor join together to increase power that is considered greedy.

When management positions a company to market dominance to maximize profitability that is considered great business acumen.

In a free market shouldn't all players continuously maneuver to increase competitive advantage?

/tom


tschmidt
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join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:9
Reviews:
·G4 Communications
·Fairpoint Commun..
·Hollis Hosting
reply to tenpin784
said by tenpin784:

Telephone service as we know it will now get worse
I'm less concerned with voice phone service, which at least here in Milford is fine, then future investment.

DSL is a clever engineering kludge designed to extract additional value from existing copper cable plant but it is just an interim step to an all fiber network. FairPoint acts as if DSL is Broadband nirvana rather then just a stepping stone.

Having DSL rather then dialup will be great for rural areas not currently served by DSL. However DSL speed, limited by copper distance, will become increasingly marginalized in the future. An analogy is V.90 dialup modem technology. It represents clever engineering that extracts higher speed then most though possible over the PSTN. That said dialup performance is wholly unsatisfactory today for Internet access.

The big question is will FairPoint be able to raise enough Capital, in face of falling land line revenue to invest in DSL and next generation broadband?

/tom


tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

said by tenpin784:

Telephone service as we know it will now get worse then it was, which I didn't think was possible.

Sweet.
.....Service under Fairpoint should improve over what Verizon offered. The main opponents of this deal from the beginning were the overpaid union workers. Some of them may lose their jobs and costs should come down as a result.
Overpaid? or competant trained professionals, who by experience have learned that what you consider overstaffed, they need to do the job promptly, and SAFELY.
considering that fairpoint inc. just bought a customer base 5-1/2 times their existing size, and the usual confusion/ineffiencies of a transition. I'd assume they will actually need more people at least temporarily to provide equal or better service.


fioswnatobe

@fidelity.com

[NEWS] New Hampshire Approves Fairpoint Deal

I will have to see how there pricing is for DSL and phone.. They are not supposed to increase prices for 2 years i think? If it goes up, I may switch everything to comcast.

EPS4

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA

Fairpoint FiOS?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't FiOS been deployed in parts of NH? Are these going to be sold to FairPoint as well, or will they be retained by Verizon?

I believe this may be the first real split of a Bell Operating Company (the former New England Telephone)- will FairPoint now be considered a "Baby Bell" (Hey, Qwest is...)

ski93

join:2005-02-14
Northwood, NH

Verizon/Fairpoint

It is sooooo...sad....Verizon union workers crying that they don't want this deal....they didn't want the Fios deal..it was sharholders barking for the new services not the workers...it all boils down to OVER PAID & UNDERWORKED techs who want business as usual...stop at the NID/NIU do nothing for it's customers...over charge for old school DSL and analog phone services via twisted pair cooper and hope for the best...At this point bring on Fairpoint...they CAN'T DO ANY WORSE than those clowns over at Verizon...Fairpoint needs to complete a FIOS type rebuild and compete with CATV and other providers...Verizon can drop dead in my book...they have set the bar soooooo loooowwww that Billy Bob and his cousin could step in and do a far better job..But thats my two cents..


tileguy
Premium
join:2007-08-09
Derry, NH
reply to EPS4

Re: Fairpoint FiOS?

Yesterday we got a bill from Verizon for the phone but the address to pay was Fairpoint. It doesn't state whether it's for phone or internet. Does anyone know exactly what services Fairpoint are taking over? We have Fios 15/2 and phone from Verizon. Does Verizon control internet and Fairpoint get the phone or what? COnfused.............


tschmidt
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join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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·Fairpoint Commun..
·Hollis Hosting
reply to ski93

Re: Verizon/Fairpoint

What are you talking about.

With telecom deregulation Telco's responsibility ends at the NID. They also no longer rent telephone equipment. As an extra cost service they will install and maintain inside wiring.

FairPoint has no intention to expand FIOS. They stated they will maintain currently installed FIOS but the only broadband they are talking about is expanding DSL footprint into areas not currently served. I assume they are going to be installing Remote Terminals in rural areas to reduce wire distance but am not sure.

/tom


tschmidt
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join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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·G4 Communications
·Fairpoint Commun..
·Hollis Hosting
reply to tileguy

Re: Fairpoint FiOS?

said by tileguy:

Does anyone know exactly what services Fairpoint are taking over?
My understanding is FairPoint gets everything but wireless service. The will maintain current FIOS but have no plans to expand it.

/tom

xsiddalx

join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
reply to tenpin784

Re: telephone service

said by tenpin784:

Telephone service as we know it will now get worse then it was, which I didn't think was possible.

Sweet.
Service will likely remain the same, why would you believe it would get worse?

Customer service *might* go down, who knows.

Telco service is predominantly a function of capital investments, secondly maintenance (not so much). No different really than cable, satellite, cellular, isp, electric, natural gas, etc..

My hunch is that fairpoint is investing in a "bond" (telco customer) with a regular payment (monthly service). They aren't going to make service worse, but might make it better (if the return on the incremental investment makes sense).

They'll likely follow the same rules as verizon in terms of investment.

Back to my original question, how do you think it can get worse?

xsiddalx

join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
reply to Mactron
said by Mactron See ProfileYup, look how well Hawaiian Telcom (The Carlyle Group) did after VZ dumped Hawaii in 2005. Your future has has come before.
[/BQUOTE :


Do you have a cite? How did they do (or not)?

I believe I have read not long ago that the HI Telecom deal didn't produce the margins that Carlyle wanted. I haven't read anything that says that they couldn't provide telephone service at the same level as verizon had previously.

xsiddalx

join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
reply to Vox
said by Vox :

Yeah, you know what you're are talking about. Consumer opposition runs about 90%. I live in NH...Google the local papers and read the consumer comments before posting such nonsense. "Service under FairPointshould improve"...we are going from fiber to DSL connection speeds. If you think that is an improvement, I got a bridge to sell you.
It's a point well taken, but if VZ was putting the property up for sale is indicative that the property wasn't in the ftth project list.

Secondly, posting links always helps support a position.

Let's say fairpoint does ftth, what does that mean to you?
The way I see it, you now have fiber instead of copper or wireless or coax to the house. It's all just a connection.

Was there a memo distributed that said VZ was doing fiber to your home but fairpoint won't?

I'm not sure I get why one company or the other is inherently better. They are both public corporations...

Future shareholder of Fairpoint (not really excited about it myself).