pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| Cable Competition in Qwest Territory?
Verizon was driven to deploy FIOS by the rabid competition it faced from cable TV companies that operate in their service area. Something tells me that Qwest is either not feeling any competitive pressures from cable companies operating in its service area, or is choosing to ignore it.
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rudnicke
Premium
join:2004-10-23
Rantoul, IL | Wow...
That guy really sounds dumb. |
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Underplay
join:2003-10-19
Tacoma, WA | There done for.
There business strategie is too damn boring. Hopefully someone will buyout this crappy company and replace the infrastructure to support higher speeds, FIOS? |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
| Amen Mueller!
At least he's telling it like it is. Fiber is too expensive and not necessary for for the foreseeable future's internet experience. Yes, for IPTV fiber would be necessary, but not for straight internet.
Just keep adding and improving DSL technologies, that's where the working assets are (copper) and will provide the greatest returns. And keep farming out the TV offerings- little risk, guaranteed return. |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533 | LOL! Seriously? |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
| reply to pnh102
Re: Cable Competition in Qwest Territory?
Of course they've got competition from cable. But thankfully for the players involved, duopolies usually don't spark heated service/price wars. Plus when Comcast (among others) charge $70~$80mo for their higher tiers, it really doesn't change the landscape much. Quest is playing it smart. |
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ztmike
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join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN
·Comcast
| reply to JasonD
Re: Amen Mueller!
said by JasonD :
At least he's telling it like it is. Fiber is too expensive and not necessary for for the foreseeable future's internet experience. Yes, for IPTV fiber would be necessary, but not for straight internet.
Just keep adding and improving DSL technologies, that's where the working assets are (copper) and will provide the greatest returns. And keep farming out the TV offerings- little risk, guaranteed return.
Your joking right? Copper is a dieing brand and these companys milking it out into the future will only have to update their infrastructure sooner or later.
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
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join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs:  | reply to rudnicke
Re: Wow...
agree the dumbest thing i've heard in awhile... |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
2 edits | Qwest Uverse?
"We're hearing that Qwest should have some additional FTTH/VDSL deployment news in the next month or two."
Yawn, yawn, ZZZzzzzzzZZzzzz, snore.
I can understand the reasons they cant deploy FTTH, but I have a conflict of interest 
They can lay the fiber, then with VDSL they wouldnt have to upgrade infrastructure as much to support the higher speeds FTTH would require. Laying the fiber now is more cost effective than waiting, because it's not going to get any cheaper in the future.
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XBL2009
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join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL | reply to JasonD
Re: Amen Mueller!
Great so why replace that 100 year old copper with new fiber that will last for 100 years when you can just stagnate with copper for another 50 years.
Typical American attitude....no vision or imagination. |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA
1 edit | reply to Underplay
Re: There done for.
I agree. This guy is a fool or he's waiting to be bought. However, I doubt any other big Bell would be interested.
If they don't have the cash, sell off a few states to regional providers and use the cash to innovate. Even one town at a time ftth?
One has to wonder how much they can write off in a bankruptcy?
My question would have been. "You have FTTH so some small areas. What the logic behind 5 meg caps"?
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to digitalfreak
Re: Amen Mueller!
For a lot of Qwest's markets, I'd say Jason is spot on. The ROI isn't there and for the most part, consumers want to pay less money, more so than they want 50 Mbps service to their home. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey | Ride the Light okay maybe not ?
Remember the commercial that Qwest was going to have every movie, every song available to you over fiber. Well i guess it was just a dream.. |
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Gilitar
join:2000-11-20
Mobile, AL | AT&T lite
So Qwest is AT&T lite for the most part?
Neither one of them have any vision for the future. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to JasonD
Re: Amen Mueller!
That is when the cable companies come in and eat your breakfast , bang your wife , and befriend your dog.
They need a future strategy. They will continue to leak customers until they can't keep up maintenance costs , then the systems will slowly fall apart leading to an even bigger exodus.
This guy is a moron if he thinks just because he has a monopoly , that he can't be dethroned. They have to at the very least start building fiber out closer to homes.
As a CEO this guys is a joke , you can still milk copper for money but , at&t has even realized that they need to build fiber further out to the customer. Adding more people to your service footprint can bring in more revenue. I mean really , is this guy surrounded by yes men constantly , no one wants to tell him how it is ? And what will happen once wimax and mobile broadband actually com up to snuff with countries like Japan ?
What people don't understand is that the web is growing leaps and bounds daily. Home spun content , and as much as people hat t piracy , are developing a huge hold on the worlds bandwidth. The new net experience is a nice quad core box sitting on your kids desk , while you and your wife are in the office and on the couch respectively. The kids watching youtube in HD while downloading some HD tv shows or music , your wife reading on a site listening to a little music. You vpned into work working with rather large files.
The new internet is like the old tv , the family will enjoy it , but not together. The needs of the family will exceed 25 meg easily.
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Underplay
join:2003-10-19
Tacoma, WA
| reply to Underplay
Re: There done for.
You know whats funny, I live in Pullman, WA a college town near the Idaho border. There is such a small market for internet, however, the local provider upgraded there backbone to fiber optics LAST YEAR.
If a locally owned ISP is upgrading to fiber, I think a big corporation can do the same. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| reply to XBL2009
Re: Amen Mueller!
said by XBL2009  :Great so why replace that 100 year old copper with new fiber that will last for 100 years when you can just stagnate with copper for another 50 years. Typical American attitude....no vision or imagination. As much as I would love to say your wrong , we are americans , we are great.
But I can't. We are really dieing quickly. Our country is screwed, we have no vision of the future , we really don't develop any more , all we do is tweak the old ideas we had. Look at todays music and culture as an example.
The new culture remixes old songs , revamps old movies , reloads old tv shows, reworks old car styles things that are original are sent to the way side (Yeah shows like Jericho and others are cancelled , but were original). It's a sign of a dieing culture , same happened to roman culture when it was dieing. I am really worried that in 30 years we will be turned into a chinese style nation. We will producing products for other markets at low enough wages to destroy ourselves.
Big thinkers are no longer american , with some of the laws passed in the past 15 years we really killed off the big thinker. This is why japan , korea and now china are making strides in the scientific world. Even russian scientists are becoming more imaginative when it comes to thinking about what can be in the future.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to JasonD
Re: Cable Competition in Qwest Territory?
said by JasonD :
But thankfully for the players involved, duopolies usually don't spark heated service/price wars. But what happened with Verizon and FIOS disproves this. In many Verizon service areas where DSL wasn't available, the cable companies were literally killing Verizon... until Verizon deployed FIOS. So there was at least competition related to service.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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·Cox HSI
| Wow... talk about Innovation and future-proofing.... NOT
Anyone else think Qwest is going to get pwned by Cable and 3rd party offerings which DO include broadband, TV, and GASP VOIP phone services?
Wow, what a visionary CEO. "Let's just sit on our geographical monopoly." Problem is, IF they won't bring it, well, someone else will... or at least it will come to the highly profitable areas first, and Qwest will bleed the high end customers like crazy.
HMM. Seems his business plan is to sit back and milk the USF for all it's worth.
Sure, it's expensive to upgrade... but it's fatal to not do so.
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danawhitaker
Space...The Final Frontier
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join:2002-03-02
Urbandale, IA
·MSN
·Mediacom
| reply to BosstonesOwn
Re: Amen Mueller!
"That is when the cable companies come in and eat your breakfast , bang your wife , and befriend your dog."
You know, you're right. I swore, swore, swore that I would never leave Qwest for cable, and I just have. Not just because of the higher speeds offered for approximately the same price (after the one year contract expires anyway) but because Qwest's attitude about upgrades and service quality left something to be desired.
It's not just about lack of innovation. As I've said before in other threads, I would have been satisfied for a while on 1.5/896 DSL service. It got the job done for what I needed it to do, and wasn't too terrible in terms of speed. The uptime was usually fantastic. After my phone line got cut a bunch of times, however, I started having massive errors on my line and my connection would only train at 512/896. When I called a technician out last summer to look at the line and see what could be done, after searching for bridge taps and testing various things, he said the only option was to downgrade me to 640/256. "You won't notice," he said. "I won't notice only being able to download at 70kb/s when I used to be able to download at 160kb/s?" That stopped him in his tracks. He obviously knew he was dealing with a customer who wasn't an idiot. I humored him, and let him call Qwest and have them train me at that speed and then bump me back up because it was too slow for my needs, especially on the upstream end. I find it unacceptable after having a product for three and a half years that I'm suddenly told my neighborhood can't support it anymore and they're downgrading anyone who calls in to complain. I'm not the first person I've heard of that that has happened to, either.
After sitting on those speeds for another eight months, hoping that there'd be some miraculous fix, and calling tech support from time to time to find out if there was anything they could do, the cable company finally offered a digital cable/phone/internet package that was too good to pass up. I don't want satellite TV, which is the TV bundle that Qwest pushes. I have three TVs, I don't want to pay extra for receivers on two of them - which is non-negotiable, since there's a small child in the house and the main TV is out of commission at night because it's too close to her room, and then extra for my local channels. The quotes I've gotten from both DirecTV and DishNetwork in the past always ended up being more expensive than cable was, and also forced use of a credit card, which we don't have at the moment. Paying $8/month for services like caller ID was also starting to tick me off. Now we have phone service with voicemail, caller ID, call waiting, three way calling, and long distance for $30/month.
I will keep an eye on Qwest - I haven't given up on them, per se - but they've given me no reason over the past year to show them any sort of loyalty as a customer. There used to a time where technical support was first rate, and they were willing to do anything to fix your problems, but those days are gone.
I definitely agree with your statement that the needs of a family could easily exceed 25 megs in the coming years. Most of the families I know aren't satisfied sharing one computer together. I know I could never share a computer with a spouse, let alone a child. Multiple computers means multiple people using bandwidth at once across the house, and there are plenty of legitimate, bandwidth-sucking services available to necessitate the need for higher speed tiers. For the sake of my suburb, I really hope that Qwest is hoping and waiting to get bought out by someone else. I drool at the thought of FIOS.
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