jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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1 edit | Suprised
does this really surprise anyone? i am surprised this hasn't come out earlier. Although this has got to be nerve racking to be exposing this considering the parties involved. If I was a security expert in his position I would also be curious and nervous about a 3rd party having unrestricted, non logged direct access to the very network I am supposed to secure. almost seems unethical to have a job to protect the network and have to turn your head and look the other way when this connection exists.
Either way the telco immunity law will be passed and Verizon AT&T etc will not get in trouble, especially with the president spearheading the project. In the end the whistle blower will get the short end of the stick.
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | And the shit...
...hits the fan...again. |
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BigDaddyChud
join:2002-11-16
Gladstone, OR | Backdoor ha ha
Wow...I cant get copies of my txt messages without a court order, but the FBI gets a free ride. Awesome |
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
1 edit | Gee Wiz
This is news? What do you think keeps thousands of people over at the big black shiny building busy every day. |
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redhatnation
Premium
join:2005-06-02
Woodbridge, VA | said by Mchart  :This is news? To a lot of people, yes. |
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jinjimbob
Troy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13 | So . . ?
So what, they need access. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | be Real...
Does anyone actually believe that theres privacy anymore? |
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
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Re: Gee Wiz
said by redhatnation :said by Mchart :This is news? To a lot of people, yes. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past 40 years. You'd have to be very naive to think this wasn't happening. |
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AnnaS8
join:2005-05-26
Annapolis, MD | Sigh...
And here I thought the only thing to worry about was telemarketers. |
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Haste
join:2001-06-08
Oak Brook, IL
1 edit | AT&T...?
If you think about it, with how corrupt AT&T is... they're probably not only providing the unfiltered DS3s (or more like OCs), but also the vasoline. Kinda disturbing, yeah? |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
·Cox HSI
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| Wild speculation
This is like National Enquirer. DSLR says Pasdar said it's not CALEA. Pasdar didn't say that. Wired magazine said it in a postscript (with no proof for that claim). Pasdar said:
much all the systems in the data center without apparent restrictions Apparent. Apparent. Apparent. I.e., Pasdar has no idea if there are restrictions.
Ask whether you're being manipulated by stories like this.
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Shamayim
I already have a Messiah.
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2 edits | reply to Mchart
Re: Gee Wiz
said by Mchart :said by redhatnation :said by Mchart :This is news? To a lot of people, yes. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past 40 years. You'd have to be very naive to think this wasn't happening. There are lots of naive people. The "if you're not doing anything wrong" chorus, for example.
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gaforces
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join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | reply to Mchart
It's definitely NOT studying the constitution.
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Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
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Re: Wild speculation
said by amigo_boy :This is like National Enquirer. DSLR says Pasdar said it's not CALEA. Pasdar didn't say that. Wired magazine said it in a postscript (with no proof for that claim). Pasdar said: much all the systems in the data center without apparent restrictions Apparent. Apparent. Apparent. I.e., Pasdar has no idea if there are restrictions. Ask whether you're being manipulated by stories like this. Mark How do you think intelligence is gathered? It sure as hell isn't little gremlins. |
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woody7
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join:2000-10-13
Torrance, CA
·EarthLink
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This will be like the ATT scandal that proved to be correct. All you "if you have done nothing wrong fanboyz" should kiss the a$$ of all the people who have given their lives so the government can trash your hard won rights. We are becoming no better than the countries where they the never had the rights we are losing. Before I get flamed you need to really think before you open your piehole. Piece..... 
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| reply to jgkolt
Re: Suprised
Agreed... how can you do your job as a network security analyst when you're not allowed to inquiry/log an unrestricted DS3 from an outside vendor into your network.
What makes it scary is that even IF FBI/NSA claim they're only looking for certain items, with an unrestricted/unlogged network sniffing your traffic, how can you be sure that's what they're doing ?
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Lumberjack
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join:2003-01-18
Newport News, VA
| Whatever
So when they drag me to court and say I said something bad on my phone the judge and all the way up to the Supreme Court will have no choice but to throw the case out unless the feds got a warrant.
I don't like these "back doors" but needing a court order to have the capability doesn't seem to me a requirement. The court ordered warrant only applies when the feds want to actually listen to a specific conversation. Requiring a court order for the back door is like requiring a warrant for the feds to just stare at a telephone pole without hooking anything up to it.
The laws and courts are here to protect us, but we can't expect that same system to completely deny the our government the means to also protect us. I don't think there's anything wrong with the various companies or individuals supplying access to their networks to the government. Of course any private data should not be allowed without a warrant and this is why some of them are in trouble.. they gave private information, not just the ability to access it, to the feds without requesting a warrant. In that case both parties should be to blame though, not just the companies.
At the same time, you can't trust open networks and data beyond your control to be private. Never assume anything you do with bits that leave your house (internet, phone, two-way tv set tops, etc..) to be private. SSL is a nice way to add that warm and fuzzy security and it will be quite some time before anybody cracks 128 and higher public encryption. This is why the feds used to want "chips" to work around it back in the day and also why jokers like the RIAA want hardware, OS, ISP, etc. involved in DRM matters. If you secure it before it leaves your system you're pretty safe, but again, never assume it's perfect.
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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Re: Wild speculation
I think we are all overreacting. In a similar thread not that long ago I became convinced that we have absolutely nothing to worry about regarding terrorism because as it was pointed out to me so succinctly, the terrorists clearly had a change of heart and don't want to kill us anymore.
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL | reply to Lumberjack
Re: Whatever
They didn't need a warrent. You were a terrorist and a threat to this country. Remember? |
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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Re: Suprised
To eliminate the thought of malicious intent look at this in terms of possible human error. No logging, no checking, which could be done. If the person on the other side of the ds-3 gets a virus of some kind there are no controls in place to stop the transmission.
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