  furloniumComputer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?
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Bethlehem, PA | $500 million To provide what is essentially public information?
Government data? Traffic control? Water meter reading? Bloomberg is an idiot. NY just seems to spawn, create, and host bad politicians. | |
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| Re: $500 million said by furlonium: ... NY just seems to spawn, create, and host bad politicians. The seat of corporate corruption can be relied upon to continue to produce well-educated and well-tried criminals, perfectly fit for public office.
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| | | | Re: $500 million Maybe you should inform yourself about the program before you post. This is for city services, primarily for first responders. "As a result of this testing and our close collaboration with City agencies, the first devices will be ready for deployment on NYCWiN following launch in April. These include wireless vehicle modems for the NYPD, FDNY and OEM, wireless traffic control modems for DOT, and handheld units for agencies conducting enforcement and inspection activities in the field."
Research man...it's at your fingertips!
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| | | Re: $500 million said by furlonium:To provide what is essentially public information? Government data? Traffic control? Water meter reading? Bloomberg is an idiot. NY just seems to spawn, create, and host bad politicians. And this is just 1 more reason taxes in NYC are what they are.
Sales tax rate: New York City 8.375% (4% of that to the city)
City income tax rate: 1.9% to 4% on top of state income tax
Real Estate tax: Some of the highest in the country
NYC overall is one of the most taxed place in the US.
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| Re: $500 million said by fAcEtIOUs:Real Estate tax: Some of the highest in the country You think NYC is taxed high?
Try the outter boroughs. Suffolk and Nassau counties average $5000 ~ $10,000 per property, and this doesn't include their Village Tax.
Bloomie has worked the stock market to otherwise not tap property owners FURTHER for the 17% property tax hike he imposed 3 years ago.
Bloomie is an idiot by many, if not all counts, but I think you would see higher real estate taxes in some of the other large metro areas as well. | |
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Tenafly, NJ | said by fAcEtIOUs:said by furlonium:To provide what is essentially public information? Government data? Traffic control? Water meter reading? Bloomberg is an idiot. NY just seems to spawn, create, and host bad politicians. And this is just 1 more reason taxes in NYC are what they are. Sales tax rate: New York City 8.375% (4% of that to the city) City income tax rate: 1.9% to 4% on top of state income tax Real Estate tax: Some of the highest in the country NYC overall is one of the most taxed place in the US. Don't forget the **18 PERCENT** tax on parking! | |
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| | howexactly What cost savings to NYC happens from the network?
Spending 500 million of the taxpayer's money on something that doesn't benefit the public directly, is mightily suspicious. If this boondoggle doesn't save the city millions each year in proven efficiencies, then this is a boondoggle. | |
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| patcat88
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kudos:1 | Re: howexactly No Verizon and ATT data charges. | |
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| | Interesting experiment If nothing else, it will be an interesting municipal Wireless experiment.
I'll leave all the political/financial/ethical considerations to others that care.  | |
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Astoria, NY | it's a good program Anything to first responders, city gov't operate smoother im all for.
BTW stay on topic, if you want a 'left or right' discussion, please take it to your redroom and blueroom forums. | |
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1 edit | Think outside the box... First off, when you think about this initiative, you have to think about something other than yourselves. This is not about Internet access. Government uses computer networks like every other entity. In this manner, it is simply attempting to extend its reach to those elements that are not mobile or can be made better through enhanced mobility.
Imagine reducing response times to medical emergencies by begin better able to dispatch ambulances or to better locate them in the first place. Same thing with Police vehicles. This is done through the use of Automatic Vehicle Locators (AVL).
In Nassau county, they were able to reduce costs and improve service with snowplows that were sitting idle. That helped reduce traffic congestion and probably saved lives by avoiding accidents that might otherwise have occurred if those additional roads had not been plowed. Imagine that here in NYC.
It's important to think of the glass half-full and not half-empty when you think of these efforts. It's too simplistic to condemn an idea because it doesn't fit in with what we would do with it. We would complain about the lack of bandwidth at peak hours, high latency for gaming. We'd complain that we can't get reception in the basement of our house where we hide from the rest of the family on the Internet. Government is required to come up with solutions that improve our daily lives and keep us safe.
My opinion, open your mind to creative solutions that could be used with a network like this. Think of things that it could do. The boring, mundane things you don't think about (like meter reading) and consider what it would be like to do those things better.
Imagine having the city mount air-quality monitoring devices on city vehicles, or taxis, that go around the city and tell us where we have air quality issues. Put radiation detectors on police vehicles to be on the lookout for "dirty bomb" material. Put a transponder on a bus so that the people at the bus-stop know exactly when the next bus is coming.
I'm not involved in this project, though I've had the opportunity to deal with those who have. The one thing I didn't understand and didn't like was that I thought it would be better to use private industry for the effort. They're more efficient as a rule. But then someone I spoke to who understood the matter (and worked in that private industry) had a good answer. One that was all the more impressive considering it was counter to his benefit. He said that when it comes to emergencies, the most critical moment is in the immediate hours surrounding an event and those hours, in his words, were the worst moments to expect private networks to be robust. I thought that was an interesting point.
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| | | Re: Think outside the box... I completely agree, at Rutgers in New Brunswick we have nextbus, »www.nextbus.com/ which I find so handy to know when a bus will be coming so we can go to one of the many campuses. Would be nice for a metro area like NYC to adopt such program.
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kudos:1 | surveillance society This is only benefits a surveillance society. More cameras, more stops and searches, etc. | |
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In episode 8, they sabotage a California's experimental traffic control system.. making it appear as a failure. Nobody will have to sabotage this to see it for what it is. | |
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Michigan City, IN | Re: terminator What that show was about..was the world becoming more dependent on computers to run everything.
From the looks of it..our government is slowly turning everything towards computers, and their only getting smarter..and that hole space missle program they got going on isn't to comforting once you think about it..
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| | Any bandwidth left for home owners? If this the same 802.11G that home owners use?
If so,
Are there enough channels for city-wide and home use? | |
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