  newview Ex .. Ex .. Exactly Premium join:2001-10-01 Parsonsburg, MD | Dual Identity
These software pirates are usually also spammers. I have no problem with seeing spammers go to jail. |
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  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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| Copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense
Copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense when the gov't wants to bother to prosecute it. »news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2008030···d/143252
On Nov. 7, Maurice Robberson pled guilty to conspiracy and felony copyright infringement, while Thomas Robberson pled guilty to a single count of felony copyright infringement. It isn't just a civil offense as many people think. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page |
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  p92460
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| Priorities much?
Yes, we've got those "vicious" pirates behind bars. Now, how about all of those violent criminals who are still out on the streets killing people?
I guess if you're not a multi-million (billion?) dollar corporation that's losing a few dollars in software sales, then you just don't get enough attention as a "victim". (Yeah, I exaggerate... a little.)
Boy... do I feel safer now! |
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  PhoenixDown -- Wants FIOS Premium join:2003-06-08 Fresh Meadows, NY clubs:   | good!
Maybe its hypocritical on my part, but I see a world of difference between folks sharing music, movies and programs via bittorrent and those who who are creating copies with the intention of selling for their own profit. |
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These people were actually SELLING pirated material.
That is much different than someone downloading at home, or providing copyrighted material through torrents.
These are exactly the type of people that should be fined significantly or sent to jail.
And do you really think they're not also trying to track down murderers just because they happen to make a bust like this? Don't be ridiculous. |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: Copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense
said by TKJunkMail :Copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense when the gov't wants to bother to prosecute it. Probably what makes this different is that these guys didn't just copy for the personal use, or give copies away for free to friends (or anyone who connected to their machine). They were counterfeiting, selling it as real retail versions, and confusing the public.
Maybe people should know that Photoshop for $20 isn't legitimate. But, it still seems different to me. It's amazing they thought they could be so public and get away with it (when people quietly letting strangers grab copies for free via P2P are being discovered).
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said by p92460 :
Yes, we've got those "vicious" pirates behind bars. Now, how about all of those violent criminals who are still out on the streets killing people One rationale might be that it takes taxes to pay for the infrastructure to catch, try and imprison violent criminals. Stealing the property of others, depriving them of sales and resulting taxes harms the rest of the system.
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I don't think it's hypocritical.
There's a big difference between downloading something for personal use, and making money off of it.
I don't download copyrighted material unless I've paid for it, IE iTunes. But there is a huge difference between listening to a song, or watching a movie, and making money off it.. -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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  rit56
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Living in a big city I can say law enforcement does what it can. It's not like violent criminals post a notice prior to doing a crime. a crime is committed and police work begins to find the criminal. Sometimes there are no witnesses, other times witnesses are reluctant to come forward. The police do what they can, or at the very least you hope they do because if you have no trust in the police society will break down and criminals will take over. The crime here isn't out of control. the police do a decent job. This was 2 people illegally coping software and selling it as new. A bit easier to track once they began to advertise. As far as a corporation putting law enforcement on to it. maybe so but for the local community there is a loss of revenue from sales tax and maybe job loss.. so there seems to be a valid reason for local law to enforce this. |
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| reply to p92460 said by p92460 :
Yes, we've got those "vicious" pirates behind bars. Now, how about all of those violent criminals who are still out on the streets killing people?
So it's your insertion that the lesser of crimes should not be prosecuted? The way I see it is that these are the easy crimes to prosecute. These morons have a digital trial leading straight to them. Just look at how fast criminals are caught once they do something stupid and post it online. This boggles my mind. This is truly a generational gap. The youth of this generation feel obligated to self-incriminate themselves in front of a world wide audience. The world wide web has become the red carpet for the darwin awards with the ignorant! |
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  mrchris We don't miss you Bush Premium join:2002-10-01 North Babylon, NY | Yep
Only people who physically pirate and make profit off the copies are worth putting in jail, not the teenie boppers sharing songs through P2P. |
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  james
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Actually, the definition for them to pursue criminal charges it must be "willful and for monetary gain".
*edit* correction, in the U.S. you are guilty of a felony if you even download a single song, movie or program without the consent of the copyright owner. As Yakov Smirnoff would say: "what a country!"
On a side note, I think this is the first time I've seen the term software "pirate" applied to actual software pirates. Free distribution isn't piracy, piracy is when people sell copies for money and take actual sales away from the owner. |
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said by p92460 :
Yes, we've got those "vicious" pirates behind bars. Now, how about all of those violent criminals who are still out on the streets killing people?
I guess if you're not a multi-million (billion?) dollar corporation that's losing a few dollars in software sales, then you just don't get enough attention as a "victim". (Yeah, I exaggerate... a little.)
Boy... do I feel safer now! What makes you think violent criminals aren't being investigated, charged and convicted too. Are you saying that because one type of criminal is apprehended and convicted that others are being neglected? It's always amusing to see this fallacy used because it simply doesn't make any sense. But then, you really weren't trying to make sense were you?
You seem to be of the thinking that if someone has a lot of money they, or we, shouldn't care when they are robbed. I suppose as long as it isn't your business that is losing money that it is fine to say that a corporation should be exempt from the protection of the law. The weakness in that argument, of course, is that I own stock in Adobe Systems and Microsoft and when they get ripped off, it isn't them, it's me that gets ripped off. Now I'm not a wealthy man so when someone steals from me it makes a difference. I suppose I could always set up business selling pirated software and become a wealthy man but I was taught there are ethical ways to accumulate wealth and there are those that aren't. No, you didn't exaggerate a little, you are simply ignorant about how things work. I'm sure you would sing a different tune if you yourself held any copyrights. But I suppose when you don't have anything to loose you can sound as high-minded as you like. But don't think you're being egalitarian when you do so. -- Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness. . . Isa. 5:20 |
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: Copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense
here is big differences that you seem not never understand. They were selling pirated stuff as such as that is illegal and as you correctly posted will put you in jail. Downloading pirate software is not against any criminal law and such will not put you in jail. Technically it's not even illegal to download pirated stuff and not illegal to upload it as that is the only people riaa ever goes after. Sorry tk junk mail i know you really try to scare people but it's not working -- i am not a lawyer but I do play one on the internet |
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| said by 81399672 :here is big differences that you seem not never understand. They were selling pirated stuff as such as that is illegal and as you correctly posted will put you in jail. Downloading pirate software is not against any criminal law and such will not put you in jail. Technically it's not even illegal to download pirated stuff and not illegal to upload it as that is the only people riaa ever goes after. Sorry tk junk mail i know you really try to scare people but it's not working Wrong!!
»www.unc.edu/~unclng/copy-corner66.htm
There are four essential elements required to prove felony copyright infringement: (1) that a registered copyright exists, (2) that the defendant infringed by reproduction or distribution of the copyrighted work, (3) that the defendant acted willfully and (4) that the works infringed were at least 10 copies of one or more copyrighted works with a total value of $2,500 within a 180-day period. Willfulness continues to be a very illusive concept, but the statute provides no definition. »www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrim···01_5.htm
Until recently, the prosecution was required to prove that copyright infringement was done willfully and for commercial advantage or private financial gain. Now the law provides for prosecution in the absence of these monetary considerations. Specifically, the current statute, as codified at 17 U.S.C. § 506(a)(2), allows for prosecution in cases involving large scale illegal reproduction or distribution of copyrighted works where the infringers act willfully, but without a discernible profit motive.
Cases alleging illegal distribution of copyrighted materials without commercial gain have been charged all over the country. In August 1999, the first person was convicted for illegally posting computer software programs, musical recordings, and digitally-recorded movies on his Web site, and allowing the general public to download and copy these products free of charge. The Oregon defendant pleaded guilty to a felony.
Prosecutors should not hesitate to utilize this avenue of enforcement. In many cases the damage to the victim may be enormous although the infringer is not profiting financially. In fact, because the copyrighted materials are provided without charge to the entire Internet-using public, the demand for the infringing goods provided for free may increase dramatically and result in great potential loss to the rights holder. »www.cybercrime.gov/thomasPlea.htm »www.cybercrime.gov/mccauslandPlea.htm -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page |
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  zachary1 you talkin' to me?
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I think the word you're looking for is ASSERTION, not "insertion" lol |
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  p92460
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| reply to p92460 If anyone thinks my statements were an indictment against law enforcement personnel, then you don't quite understand what I was saying. Given the structure under which the police are forced to work, I think they do a good job. For the most part, the only "government" employees that I respect almost unconditionally are firemen (and women) and policemen (and, again , women). (Sure, some cops are actually criminals who are only posing... but I'm not talking about that very small fraction of a percent here.)
However, some prosecutor crowing about putting a couple software pirates behind bars is mildly offensive. Do these guys belong is jail? Sure. Did they commit fraud against the people who bought their "wares"? Absolutely, so send them to jail and let 'em rot. (Of course, my idea of "jail" is a room with four walls and no windows where you get your meals through a slot in the door, and you don't get to see, hear, or talk to anyone until you show some sign that you can actually function in society with some respect for others [as opposed to the typical jail nowadays where you get to eat all you want, go out and work out in the yard to become an even bigger and more violent criminal when you get out after only 3 of the 10 years you were sentenced to... etc. blah blah blah.)
If I'm asserting anything, it's that our legal system is totally screwed up because we have too many laws, and our police are overworked trying to enforce laws that shouldn't even be laws at all. Any law that tries to enforce how you live your own life or what to do with your own body or property that doesn't infringe on the right of others to do the same and isn't some threat to someone else's health and safety shouldn't even be a law. I assert that politicians are to blame; most of them are lawyers, after all, so what do you expect. Lawyers should never even be allowed to enact laws--talk about a conflict of interest.
Will anything change any time soon? I seriously doubt it. Ever? I doubt it, but at least I have some small modicum of hope that eventually people will wise up... but not in my lifetime. |
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| reply to zachary1 said by zachary1 :I think the word you're looking for is ASSERTION, not "insertion" lol thank you....I have a head full of flu! |
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| reply to p92460 We do have a code of law and regulations that order the ethical conduct of our society. And that they regulate the conduct in all aspects of society is to to be expected isn't it? I mean, aren't robbers and thieves still robbers and thieves whether they take your wallet on the street at gunpoint or something else of value in other ways? And it isn't as though a complex set of codes and regulations is something new. It was just as complex and detailed hundreds of years ago as it is today. You make a point of referring to law that deals with personal conduct that doesn't affect others. Well, I don't have a big disagreement there but that's not what this is about. It is my opinion that including seemingly non-violent criminal conduct as in this case with such laws is a mistake and misses the larger point about why such laws exist in the first place. -- Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness. . . Isa. 5:20 |
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| reply to S_engineer You have a head full of *something* all right. What is this generational snobbery you employ to make a dubious point. There is nothing wrong with the "current generation" that wasn't the result of emulating their elders...so watch your tongue, lest you're willing to lay claim to what you have wrought, yet now deplore. |
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