texans20
Weapons of Masturbation
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join:2002-09-28
Texas!
clubs: | Won't catch me
Unless ISPs are allowed to assume that a few gigabytes of encrypted nntp packets = piracy. |
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Rexter
YeeHaw
join:2002-11-17
cloud 9
| Good luck
This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing.
Sweet!!!!
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Siko
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join:2006-11-27
Mechanicsburg, PA
clubs: | Illegal File Sharing May Be Banned in Japan
Illegal File Sharing May Be Banned in Japan |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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 ·Comcast
| reply to Rexter
Re: Good luck
said by Rexter  :This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing. Sweet!!!! Keep living in your dream world. Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. So, if laws are passed allowing ISPs to boot you, like they have in France and will soon in the UK & Sweden. Or if ISPs voluntarily agree due to political pressures like in Japan, even in the absence of laws, they will eventually throttle copyright infringing activities.
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Rexter
YeeHaw
join:2002-11-17
cloud 9 | People have been talking like you for over 10 years. Eventually this..... Eventually that...... bla bla bla.....Who is living in a dream? |
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Red Dragon
Imagine BBR in 20 years
join:2005-04-30
Scarsdale, NY
| Cat and mouse ala blue box/ phone hackers
There goes the whole fan translation business. I wonder how exactly the technology will work. Also will some one have to actually look through the petabytes of data that stream through P2P? Then they have to prove that such data is illegal through a court before any action or strike can be put against a single person. I am quite sure that the first person to get nailed on one of these laws will have a few top rated layers flock to the case for both sides much like wiki leaks situation(even though they are completely different).
Its just going to turn into a cat and mouse game since before anyone gets the plug pulled they still have to prove the data is pirated and not the latest version of your preferred flavor of linux.
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TI POIL
join:2006-03-05
Toronto, ON
| The end of ISP's in Japan
Very simple
BT=High Bandwith=Big money
Regular interner use=Low bandwith=Low money
That means that most people will go from their 16mb profile at $50-$60 to a regular 1mb profile at $5 a month, multilply that by the thousand for each ISP's and they all either gonna fold or embrace P2P technology.
THEY CAN'T AVOID FILESHARING they have to live with it.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Good luck
Junk mail offers JUNK ADVICE again. Japan is the top technological nation with home 100mbit and gigabits being common place. Do you for one minute believe the ISPS will be able to stop piracy here? Unless users are capped, it's a pipe dream to think someone with this throughput doesn't have any other means that p2p itself. |
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Dan888
join:2007-08-21
Wilmington, DE
| Won't work there
Unlike here, they have Share, and the more recent Perfect Dark networks. Both of these use full encryption.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_(P2P)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_(P2P) |
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Dan888
join:2007-08-21
Wilmington, DE | with links, it did not extend the link to the end ) so copy and paste links |
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Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Good luck
Eventually they will make a fix to the hole in the system I am sure of it. But when? That is the question. Until then I don't see pirates stop downloading and sharing illegal ( according to local laws) and I don't see them stop developing new ways to circumvent the new anti-piracy measures ISP's and RIAA will start implementing.
It's a never ending battle and as long as people Pirate they won't stop trying to beat the system.
I think we all know this by now. |
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Surfinusa
Premium
join:2001-02-08
| reply to TI POIL
Re: The end of ISP's in Japan
said by TI POIL :Very simple BT=High Bandwith=Big money Regular interner use=Low bandwith=Low money That means that most people will go from their 16mb profile at $50-$60 to a regular 1mb profile at $5 a month, multilply that by the thousand for each ISP's and they all either gonna fold or embrace P2P technology. THEY CAN'T AVOID FILESHARING they have to live with it. True, its the demand that makes the ISP's offer higher tiers of service due to P2P and Pictures and MP3, DVD, You Tube.
Without the demand most users can live with a 1.5mbs connect. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| said by Surfinusa :True, its the demand that makes the ISP's offer higher tiers of service due to P2P and Pictures and MP3, DVD, You Tube. Without the demand most users can live with a 1.5mbs connect. Legal sources of video will more than create a demand for higher bandwidth. It doesn't need illegal copyright infringing activities to grow internet use.
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Mashiki
Balking The Enemy's Plans
join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
·Bright House
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Good luck
said by TKJunkMail :Keep living in your dream world. Encryption won't prevent detection of P2P use. And WHERE your data is going to & coming from will allow detection as easily as WHAT is being transmitted. So, if laws are passed allowing ISPs to boot you, like they have in France and will soon in the UK & Sweden. Or if ISPs voluntarily agree due to political pressures like in Japan, even in the absence of laws, they will eventually throttle copyright infringing activities. Encrypted networks are in use all over Japan now, Universities and business being the main source at the moment. It doesn't matter if you know where a packet is going to or from or what it looks like. Since p2p is used in business in Japan too to transfer well nearly everything as well. I expect this to expand all-be-it slowly.
While people rollover generally for corporations in Japan, weird things can happen if you start tinkering with their technology. |
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DSL Oberst
join:2001-11-29 | *SHRUG*
Not my country, not my problem.
Now, if we conquer them again like we did in WW2 and make them into a satrapy, sure, I'll care.
But otherwise, meh. Not news. |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: The end of ISP's in Japan
said by TKJunkMail :said by Surfinusa :True, its the demand that makes the ISP's offer higher tiers of service due to P2P and Pictures and MP3, DVD, You Tube. Without the demand most users can live with a 1.5mbs connect. Legal sources of video will more than create a demand for higher bandwidth. It doesn't need illegal copyright infringing activities to grow internet use. Back in the 80s, it was common knowledge in the industry that porn was the driving force (so to speak) for the advances in graphic displays and operating systems. Oh yeah, faster computers with more than 256 colors was also useful for business purposes, but the *real* reason to spend big bucks on new PCs was what you could do on your lunch break.  |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to Rexter
Re: Good luck
said by Rexter :This is great! We're about to see a new age of encryption, and P2P strength. It's gonna be great, and best of all here in the US, we'll benefit from this new robustness without any interruption to my file sharing. Sweet!!!! So you admit to being a theif? nice. Great morals you have. Any reason why you can't pay for your content? Even at minimum wage it's possible to do so. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to birdfeedr
Re: The end of ISP's in Japan
said by birdfeedr :said by TKJunkMail :said by Surfinusa :True, its the demand that makes the ISP's offer higher tiers of service due to P2P and Pictures and MP3, DVD, You Tube. Without the demand most users can live with a 1.5mbs connect. Legal sources of video will more than create a demand for higher bandwidth. It doesn't need illegal copyright infringing activities to grow internet use. Back in the 80s, it was common knowledge in the industry that porn was the driving force (so to speak) for the advances in graphic displays and operating systems. Oh yeah, faster computers with more than 256 colors was also useful for business purposes, but the *real* reason to spend big bucks on new PCs was what you could do on your lunch break. How does that compare to ILLEGAL activities since porn is LEGAL. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to TI POIL
said by TI POIL :Very simple BT=High Bandwith=Big money Regular interner use=Low bandwith=Low money That means that most people will go from their 16mb profile at $50-$60 to a regular 1mb profile at $5 a month, multilply that by the thousand for each ISP's and they all either gonna fold or embrace P2P technology. THEY CAN'T AVOID FILESHARING they have to live with it. You are so ingorant on things work it isn't even funny. ISPs don't make money by their subscibers using MORE bandwidth. Thye make money by them using LESS. Show me an ISP who average user uses 5 GB a month and another one whose average user uses 100 GB a month and I can tell you that the first one make TONS more money. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica | reply to texans20
Re: Won't catch me
Or unless Texas magically becomes part of Japan. |
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