Surfinusa
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join:2001-02-08 |  Ham's arent complaining ?
If this works maybe finally BPL will get off the ground. And Ham radio operators can live with BPL ( if it really works ). Sure hope so. Time will tell if Ham radio's have interference in all states if it really does get implemented. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  100 customers out of 3500 housing units
The public electric company spent millions to install this:
»15 customers is hardly a good test
and the low rate of customers doesn't speak well to such a large expenditure of tax dollars.
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AnOldGuy
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join:2008-02-29
Kewanee, IL | reply to Surfinusa
Re: Ham's arent complaining ?
well - I live about 30 miles from Princeton and the hams that I know there are complaining. Seems that they have experienced interference and as with most of the other BPL trials it has been swept under the table by the FCC. |
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PthirusPubis
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F* the hams! The more I read about the FCC and the ARRL, the more I think that they are both wholly-owned subsidiaries of T and VZ.
I suspect that BPL technology works well enough and that the telecorps obviously don't want more competition. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: 100 customers out of 3500 housing units
You bring up something from 2 1/2 YEARS ago. Hardly relevant. Come on. In this day and age you better something better than from 2005.
A) 100 now more could be added.
B) someone has to be first. How many tax $$ did it cost to bring electricity and phone service to areas that had just afew dozen people back in the day.
C) Isn't the electric company now capable of monitoring everyone electricity remotely now? isssue can be spotted fatser and handled quicker thus saving money? Also can't they could now read meters remotely wothout having to actually have to hire people to read them? |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: Ham's arent complaining ?
said by AnOldGuy :well - I live about 30 miles from Princeton and the hams that I know there are complaining. Seems that they have experienced interference and as with most of the other BPL trials it has been swept under the table by the FCC. BS and who cares. God why are we catering to a very very very small less than 1% group of people? that's why t takes forever for technology to advance becaus every single group that might complain has to be sattisfied which is IMPOSSIBLE. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Ham operators can find a new hobby. |
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John Galt
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join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: 100 customers out of 3500 housing units
Now the cemetery is spending $377,288 per year with revenues of $66,500.
They need to close that place down...
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| This is hardly surprising ....
The fact of the matter is the vast majority of BPL devices installed do not cause harmful interference to the ham bands. Current Communications has the largest number of commercial deployments; they use HomePlug-based technology which even the ARRL says does not cause them interference:
»www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/0707088.pdf
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Although the Broadband over Power Lines (BPL) controversy wasn’t addressed in the FCC discussions, I
did note the presence of the HomePlug Powerline Alliance at the show. This is a group of nearly 80 international
market leaders involved in the use of ac power lines for delivering not only power, but also Internet access and networking, which includes BPL..."Over the past 7 years, even though there are over 6 million HomePlug devices deployed, ARRL does not have a single report of harmful interference to Amateur Radio involving HomePlug products. If the entire BPL industry could follow their lead and formally do what HomePlug has determined needs to be done, interference from BPL could become a manageable problem.”
Of course the problem is not every equipment provider has followed that "lead"; a small number of highly publicized trials have used "rogue" equipment that interferes, and instead of working with groups like ARRL to solve the problem, they hire lawyers and lobbyists. |
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alphapointe
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join:2002-02-10
Columbia, MO
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Re: Ham's arent complaining ?
If I hear one more ham bashing moron I think I'm going to scream. Most, if not all, wireless technology got its' start in ham radio. Your cell phone? Hams came up with the technology, WLANs stem from packet radio data networks created by hams, and don't even get me started about the emergency communications.
BPL is marketing-induced shit that the FCC needs to get rid of, and if the engineers were still running things like they did 20 years ago, it wouldn't be allowed to cause all this interference. But the politicos are in charge, and only care about lining their pockets.
Sigh
I think I'll go talk to someone 5000 miles away running 1 watt. Sounds like more fun than listening to JAWS spew this crap.
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AnOldGuy
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join:2008-02-29
Kewanee, IL
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| Well - it's Sunday and the "Mental Midgets" have nothing better to do with their time so what do you expect?
One other thing - there is a relatively new technology out that does seem to very peacefully coexist with the other services - not just hams but most importantly public service (that's Fire/Police/Rescue) for our mentally challenged friends. Now - if the folks who have BPL deployed would just use this technology then everyone would benefit. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Umm... Because if this were done on a large scale, it'd effect a lot more than 1 percent. Still, ham operators are probably the minority but this technology just sucks. Find better ways to give internet if you ask me. Wimax for one or satellite via the balloons sounds more feasible. |
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AnOldGuy
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join:2008-02-29
Kewanee, IL
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Re: This is hardly surprising ....
Well - you are partially correct. The fact is that Home Plug did not exist when BPL was first deployed and the end result was that all of the initial BPL installations were indeed spectrum polluters and more than one was shut down - not necessarily because of the interference that they caused to hams but more because of the interference that they caused to emergency communications.
The folks at Current Tech recognized the problems and put a lot of effort into making sure that their devices were non polluting. They obviously understood what the other companies did not and that was the need to coexist in a crowded frequency spectrum. They need to be given a lot of credit for developing a "Working" BPL system. |
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wvcaver
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join:2005-04-17
Millersburg, OH | reply to BF69
Re: Ham's arent complaining ?
BPL SUCKS !!!!! |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
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Re: 100 customers out of 3500 housing units
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
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TK Junk Mail doesn't want MORE competition. I understand that. It's very rough living in HI. |
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA
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Re: Ham's arent complaining ?
HAM radio is too important to just make the "little HAM radio geeks" go away. It's very useful in the event of a major catastrophic emergency... You know, like hurricanes, large fires, earthquakes, major brown outs, terrorist attacks, etc... 10 years ago I would have laughed at the odds of having 3 of the events happening near the same time, but living through many of them, has changed that thought. You can speak to people very far away with very little power. I think it's stupid to just tell them to go away.
I don't use HAM radio, but for me it is like having a backup plan to communicate across distances in case some other major infrastructure is "fubared". BPL, sounds like crap... If it works and doesn't mess with HAM radio, give it a try, oterhwise it shouldn't be used. |
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AD7BK
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join:2000-03-23
Port Orchard, WA
·wavebroadband
| Hams are complaining
Um what it is that HAMS are complaining about ONE "AMBIANT" Tech. They are the dirtiest one and they dont care look at the one area that the F.C.C. don't even enforce anything upon because they are getting paid off by that large power company to allow them to continue to do this. There is a BPL that does work. Motorola has come out with a BPL tech that works and doesn't interfere with the frequencies between 2-80MHz.
If anything if this goes nationwide you will see complaints but you will also see it is one BPL provider. If everywhere gets FTTH it will make BPL look useless and slow. But that cost too much to install. Why is it everyone wants this? Because they cannot afford broadband via sat,DSL, Cable? Or they are too cheap. They dont care about anyone but themselves this also includs the Ambiant provider. All they see is profits for a cheap tech that don't work. What is everyone gonna do when the grid goes down? No BPL, No power and if the HAMS are gone, there is no phones due to no power after thier generators go down because they are out of fuel, no cell no nothing, because there is no power. And all the Hams are gone because of BPL. Then what?
What? I bet no one can awnser that. Ham ops provides emergency communications when all is down during storms. Remember Katrina? FEMA took too long to provide emergency communications/services but the HAMS were there immidately.
BEFORE you all knock the small minoroity, remember what they have done for the communities effected by devistating storms, the black-out in the Northeast US, hams were there, when the land/cellphones were overloaded beacuse of 9-11 the hams were there. When a earthquake takes out a large area of California, the hams were there doing voluenteer work and allowing loved ones to get word to their loved ones around the nation and the WORLD that they are OK. Will BPL do this when the power is OFF? No. But Hams can. We don't require commerical power to do what we do. But BPL requires commerical power to work.
No one thinks about this, Many are too blind by either greed, or are sheep who follows what certain people tell them and don't QUESTION. This isn't limited to BPL this is all over the US and the world. We blindly follow our leaders and don't question their methods, espeically when alot of innocent people die as the result of being told this is the right thing to do. In the case of BPL, they blind those who want internet fast and cheap and don't care who they effect I am suprised that the military isn't all over them too because hams only uses a small sliver of what BPL uses, military uses the majority of what BPL uses. And yet BPL is still active. I drove thru a BPL area and I lost everything including CB Radio. What if I got hurt? Cellphone is down no payphone near by and no cb radio or ham radio to call for help because one of the bpl users is downloading the latest illigal movie or script or heaven forbid lewd stuff.
Think about the lil people. Think about what if you are in a accident, and your cellphone dont work no other means of telling someone? And you have a CB in your car but you can't hear the other person because of BPL? Would you complain? YES you would. The main concern of the whole thing is EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS rather it be traffic or you tring to get medical aid.
BPL is not the way to go at LEAST in its current form. HAMS are NOT againt BPL as a whole, just the current way it is. It can work and MOTOROLA proved it with using Low Voltage Lines instead of the Medium Voltage Lines.
Think about it..
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dialupvictim
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Dude, they are not gonna do FTTH everywhere. The copper in the ground will completely dissolve before ATT goes that route. And quit waving the flag of hams being the savior when a storm hits.. WE could use satellite communications for those calls if things where allowed.. But that would probably offend a ham op somewhere in a swamp that use's the very frequency of that service.. Hell, lets just go back to smoke signals.... |
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