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Comments on news posted 2008-03-17 18:34:10: The city of Seattle has for many years been unimpressed with Qwest's regional broadband offerings, and has been exploring the creation of a citywide fiber network for just as long. ..


SunnyFL
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join:2001-02-08

Fiber

Doesn't look like Seattle has wired there city yet though they have been talking about this for some time now.

Not an easy project.


FFH5
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Tavistock NJ
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said by SunnyFL:

Doesn't look like Seattle has wired there city yet though they have been talking about this for some time now.

Not an easy project.
And, as usual, they want some private enterprise to take all the risks, while still maintaining governmental(& thereby political) oversight and control. Good luck on getting anyone to reply to the RFP. Maybe they hope Microsoft will bail them out by creating a broadband showcase at a loss to MS like Google did in Moutainview, CA.
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Healbot
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join:2003-07-16
Vancouver, WA

Fios

They have verizon fios in the region already


PhoenixDown
FIOS is Awesome
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Fresh Meadows, NY
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reply to FFH5

Re: Fiber

If the deal was structured right, this could be extremely lucrative opportunity for a major telecom provider.


FFH5
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said by PhoenixDown:

If the deal was structured right, this could be extremely lucrative opportunity for a major telecom provider.
Politicians will be involved. What do you think the chances are it will be "structured right"?
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust

join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
I agree. I look at Wall Street and I get all warm and fuzzy, knowing that Big Business always knows and does The Correct Thing.

And they never, ever need politicians and government types to bail them out of trouble, either.

lordofwhee

join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
reply to Healbot

Re: Fios

If by "have in the region" you mean "get to look at the fiber lines that ALMOST reach their houses", then you are correct.


ahulett
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join:2003-02-02
Kirkland, WA
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reply to Healbot
Unfortunately not on the road I'm at. I keep checking though... hoping...

EPS4

join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
reply to Healbot
Is Seattle a Verizon or Qwest ILEC area, or is it mixed? The article seems to give the impression that the city itself is Qwest. Verizon tends not to place FiOS where they don't have ILEC status, since that would mean having to negotiate for the right-of-way.

MyDogHsFleas
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Austin, TX
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Seattle Supersonics most likely leaving town...

because the city and/or state refuses to match a $150M offer from Steve Ballmer. Yet they'll spend $500M to implement broadband rather than letting private industry do it?

pepperxn

join:2001-02-21
reply to EPS4

Re: Fios

said by EPS4:

Is Seattle a Verizon or Qwest ILEC area, or is it mixed? The article seems to give the impression that the city itself is Qwest. Verizon tends not to place FiOS where they don't have ILEC status, since that would mean having to negotiate for the right-of-way.
Qwest, but Verizon has spotty areas around the country outside their territory that was GTE.

TheMayor

join:2002-05-09
reply to MyDogHsFleas

Re: Seattle Supersonics most likely leaving town...

Unless I am wrong, I believe part of the deal was for someone to buy the team, which the current owners have said, its not for sale. Since day 1, I already knew that was the current owners plan & that they were probably hoping that we wouldn't give them what they want. Seattle has a better chance now at luring another team, then keeping the current team. I believe that owner of the New Orleans team wants out of N.O. maybe Seattle can make a deal with him.

said by MyDogHsFleas:

because the city and/or state refuses to match a $150M offer from Steve Ballmer. Yet they'll spend $500M to implement broadband rather than letting private industry do it?

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
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needs a good name...

all you need to do is give it a DISTINGUISHED name...

Maybe something along the lines of "Bear Stearns"?
When the fiber project runs low on funds.. you have have a white knight in the white house call in that special favor and bail you out!

:-P

I say go for it.. Qwest will take another 10-20 years do anything that resembles residential broadband (that's if they still exist in 10-20 years).


dmconwa1

@qwest.net

Qwest FTTN deployment

Qwest has earmaked $300 million THIS YEAR to provide FTTN service to 1.5 million customers. This is the first launch. You're fooling yourself if you think that is all they will do.

If the service is succesful I'm sure they'll deploy more next year.

The Seattle plan is looking at $500 million to build. Assuming they stick to budget. That will never happen. How long do you think it would take to build it out?


furlonium
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join:2002-05-08
Allentown, PA

Most profitable?

"...given Qwest's plan involves serving only the most profitable portions of Seattle."

Kind of like Verizon does with FiOS everywhere?


elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO

Its the only way...

Any one will see any REAL choice is to have a neutral network like UTOPIA

MyDogHsFleas
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reply to TheMayor

Re: Seattle Supersonics most likely leaving town...

said by TheMayor:

I believe that owner of the New Orleans team wants out of N.O. maybe Seattle can make a deal with him.
The NBA will never let the New Orleans team leave. It would be a PR disaster.


toby
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join:2001-11-13
Portland, OR
reply to MyDogHsFleas
said by MyDogHsFleas:

because the city and/or state refuses to match a $150M offer from Steve Ballmer. Yet they'll spend $500M to implement broadband rather than letting private industry do it?
I would rather tax money going to assist Home Depot or Best Buy, as these shops people actually goto.

No tax subsidies should be used for anything, ever.

Corydon
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Denver, CO
reply to dmconwa1

Re: Qwest FTTN deployment

Qwest simply doesn't have the money to aggressively roll out FTTN on a widespread basis.

Some financials:

2007 CAPEX for Qwest was $1.67B.

By comparison:

Verizon:  $17.54B
AT&T: $17.72B
Comcast: $6.56B
Charter: $1.24B

That last one should tell you a lot: Qwest and Charter are spending about the same amount on capital expenditures, while Qwest has obligations to cover a lot more territory that is harder to service than Charter does. Telcos have to spend a lot of money servicing all that copper in rural areas, and Qwest's territory is very sparsely populated and geographically interesting. MSOs, by contrast, tend to stick to cities.

This is why Verizon is trying to drop Maine and New Hampshire, btw. They'd rather concentrate on areas with denser population (and more money) like Boston, New York City, etc.

Unfortunately, we won't be seeing a lot of advanced new services popping up in Qwest's footprint (and seeing how I live in Denver, that hurts me too).

Seattle recognizes that Qwest is unlikely to roll out the kind of service they'd like to see, and the MSOs, knowing that Qwest is weak, will only invest just enough to keep ahead of Qwest. The result is that Seattle (and Denver and Phoenix) don't get the same kind of attention that cities like Boston and New York are getting, so they're trying to get the ball rolling in another way.

axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
reply to elios

Re: Its the only way...

They're doing it wrong, or I'm reading it wrong. They're not spending 500 million to own the network, they are saying "someone please spend 500 million dollars to wire our city kthx".


MukMan

@verizon.com
reply to pepperxn

Re: Fios

FiOS is already built out in the Verizon franchise landline area and more is coming. Those areas include Kirkland, Redmond and on north through Bothell and into Lynnwood, Edmonds and on up to Everett in Snohomish County.

Their contractors are already in my neighborhood off the Mukilteo Speedway putting the fiber-optics in underground before they eventually ask me if I want it - at that point they'll connect it to my house. Once they offer TV, they'll have scads of people abandoning Comcast or Comcast keeping them by meeting Verizon's price point in the market which is usually better than Big C's.

As to Seattle, it's not only that they want to 'monitor' private enterprise, they also want private enterprise to use its money, not the taxpayer money. . . We'll see how 'Northwest Nice' and 'the Seattle Way' play out in this vision of a fiber-to-the-home network.