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So when at my lake house, the sole connection I have to the internet as an alternative to dialup, GSM EDGE data from AT&T is not Broadband? 
And so even though my zip code covers a 40 mile radius and someone can get broadband, they know I might can't get it? What a suprise. -- I get 29 MPG in my Toyota Highlander Hybrid! |
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  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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2 edits | No credit Karl?
Submitted this link and news item. But no tip credit?
Details of new methodology:
The FCC, as is typical, won't release the full text of the changes it adopted for a few weeks, but here's a rundown of major components described at Wednesday's meeting:
• 200Kbps speeds are no longer considered "broadband." Until this point, the FCC has considered any service that produces 200Kbps speeds in the upload or download direction to be "high speed." With Wednesday's vote, that methodology is no more. Now, 768Kbps, which is the entry-level speed offered by major DSL providers like Verizon, will be considered the low end of "basic broadband," a range that extends to under 1.5Mbps. • Broadband service speeds will have to be reported both for uploads and downloads. Previously the FCC had six big categories of broadband speeds, and they effectively only tracked download speeds. Now the agency says it will require reporting on upload speeds. Pro-regulatory advocacy groups like Free Press say that's a necessary step in part because of particularly in light of Comcast's admitted throttling of peer-to-peer filesharing uploads. • Upload and download speeds will have to be reported in a more specific way. At the moment, the broadband speeds most commonly offered by cable and telephone companies are lumped into two major categories: those between 200Kbps and 2.5Mbps, and those between 2.5 and 10Mbps. The FCC's new rules would require them to be broken down further, in an attempt to address charges that the current buckets have the potential to overstate the number of high-end subscriptions and understate the number of low-end subscriptions. Those new tiers will be: 1) 200 to 768Kbps ("first generation data"), 2) 768Kbps to 1.5Mbps ("basic broadband"), 3) 1.5-3Mbps, 4) 3-6Mbps, and 5) 6Mbps and above. • ISPs will be required to report numbers of subscribers, and at the census-block level. Under the current methodology, ISPs report only the number of zip codes in which they have at least one subscriber, and they report numbers of lines nationwide. Now they'll have to report the number of subscribers in each census tract they serve, broken down by speed tier. The FCC decided to use census tracts because researchers may be able to use other demographic statistics collected by the U.S. Census, such as age and income level, to gain insight about what drives broadband penetration rates. • ISPs will not have to report the prices they charge....yet. Democratic commissioners and liberal consumer advocacy groups had argued such a step is necessary in order to give consumers an idea of the value they're getting for their money--and to compare U.S. prices to those for comparable services abroad. Democratic Commissioner Michael Copps said on Wednesday that he continues to believe it's a "mistake" to omit that requirement, and Adelstein also voiced concern. But a majority of the commissioners opted to push that decision off until another time and gather more comments. |
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  Raptor Not a Dumptruck
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| A start....
Should've been at least 1.5Mbit, but it's a start. Sadly, this standard will probably last a long while.
I'd be interested to see the new penetration rates based on this new standard. I'll bet they're a weeeee bit lower.
"I'm happy we're starting to change our benchmarks," he said, "but my goodness, how late in the day it is." My goodness, how much of an understatement that is  -- ....where's my fiber? |
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 DV0407
join:2007-02-10 Orlando, FL | reply to TKJunkMail Satellite
Well i guess the 256 tiers offered by Satellite isnt broadband anymore LMAO!! |
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 nokiatech
join:2000-10-18 Stuart, FL | 768 is fair
Most "DSL Lite" packages are 768. I think that's what most would call minimum broadband speed. It's a night and day diffrence faster then dialup. |
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said by DV0407 :Well i guess the 256 tiers offered by Satellite isnt broadband anymore LMAO!! Also what hasn't changed is that the tiers are still based on download speeds.
Meaning 768/128 would be considered in the broadband tier. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page |
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...is the incumbents friend.
another incumbent friend (well, maybe not so much for cable) is Kevin Martin.
and Kevin has been helping his incumbent friends by doing his best to see that accurate broadband statistics are not available.
as soon as we have accurate numbers on broadband speeds and deployment in this country, the charade will be over.
nothing will be done about it, but no longer will rosy pictures of broadband in the U.S. be painted. |
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| said by nasadude :as soon as we have accurate numbers on broadband speeds and deployment in this country, the charade will be over. You funny boy. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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So my 768k DSL line from Verizon is "First-Generation/ Basic Broadband." Wait until I upgrade to 3Mbps/FiOS 
But what's the upload for broadband, I never saw anything in the article. |
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said by TKJunkMail :Also what hasn't changed is that the tiers are still based on download speeds. Meaning 768/128 would be considered in the broadband tier. That's seriously unfortunate. They need to rate upload speeds, as it's the only way to get anyone to pay attention to them. |
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How come the US hasn't got 24Mbps DSL? The UK has had 24 Mbps DSL for two years already, with 1Mbps upload. Uncapped of course. How come the US is lagging? What's up with the providers??? The US has more dark fibre laying around than most other countries put together, why not put it to good use? We all know China, Japan, Korea etc have 100Mbps+, but if it wasn't for FIOS the US would look pretty backward? Even South Africa has 4Mbps! |
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join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | reply to nokiatech Re: 768 is fair
768 may be just OK for the minimum (although it should have been 768/256) but 6 Mbps is obscenely low for a premium tier. |
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  Kfedka Premium join:2005-05-06 Spokane, WA | Old school...
Yesterday's dialup is today's 200kbps. |
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said by nokiatech :Most "DSL Lite" packages are 768. I think that's what most would call minimum broadband speed. It's a night and day diffrence faster then dialup. My first broadband connection was 768k SDSL. To this date, that was my favorite connection ever. Lowest latency, most consistent performing.
Sure, now I am on something that is technically faster, and it is in raw throughput, but it still just isn't the same. Particularly when running large numbers of connections across it. -- for all your Linux questions |
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join:2007-12-27 Columbus, OH clubs: | reply to Raptor Re: A start....
Hey at least they are taking baby steps into the right direction. Thisis the US Gov't, it never moves fast unless its in their best intrest (read:political supporters and special intrest groups). Never when it would actually benefit its citizens. |
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 openbox9
join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | reply to synic Re: Satellite
Upload offerings will be tracked and the only way anyone will pay attention to them, is when enough consumers (not DSLR posters) start asking for increased upload capacity. |
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join:2008-02-13 Hingham, MA | reply to Smith6612 Re: hehe...
No upload requirements as far as I know, which would mean even those old DOCSIS 1.0 systems where your upload was via a separate dial-up connection would still be broadband if they could get their download speeds to the requisite points. |
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  shoe1
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2 edits | SHEESE.
Sheese, Im still on dial up, well WB(512k too...so thats NOT broadband anyway) but it's almost the same thing...I live in a town with 2,000(within 5 miles of town) other people why don't I have DSL? ugh, 20kbps sucks so much....makes me want to cry. What can I do Verizon just will not provide it. WTF!! AT&T provides dsl 5 miles away and that has less people. |
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That stinks then. The FCC should set upload speeds to be set for "broadband" as well, as not only does more download come with broadband, more upload comes with them as well as I'm sure we all know. The only thing is, some providers as I know provide very little upload compared to the download, so I'm sure that if the upload speeds are included as well in this FCC thing, I'm sure that broadband providers would probably boost their upload speeds for the slower plans. That's my guess... |
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 openbox9
join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | reply to Its madness Re: USA lagging in speeds, big time!
What is that 24/1 DSL being used for? Or a better question, is the 24/1 being used routinely for something that the US' "piddly" 6/768 DSL doesn't satisfy? |
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