RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | a data service, not a phone service
OK, let's see them adjust their advertising to reflect that their product is not a "phone service'.
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
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Vonage won something in court. This truly is the day the earth stood still. How can they not be classified as a phone service when they market as one. This must be where i need to see the details because the headlines don't sound rational.
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| April 1st?
It must be April Fools day already - Vonage never wins any lawsuits they are involved in. 
On a serious note, I wonder if this ruling will lead to a challenge on FUSF contributions by VOIP providers. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| I suppose it makes sense...
If VoIP is declared a data service, though, all that's needed is for Nebraska or the Federal Government to pass a law saying that they can still charge USF- basically the court is saying that they can't expect to squeak by using existing laws, which is all too common now. |
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dodgetech2
join:2002-01-01
Gouldsboro, PA | I'm just glad they finally won in court....regardless of what is was for..:) |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs: | I got the letter
I have a small VOIP service in Omaha, I got the letter from the PSC a couple of weeks ago asking us to pay in.
Glad to have that monkey off our back, now back to my Federal USF payments... |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Can something like this work for Uverse and FIOS
I mean they are only sending data so franchise laws should not apply ?
Right? |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Hm, good point- FiOS works the same as cable, but U-Verse is true IPTV and I suppose should be considered a data service (no matter how much one hates "the new" at&t) |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: a data service, not a phone service
said by RadioDoc  :OK, let's see them adjust their advertising to reflect that their product is not a "phone service'. I am against the USF for any company. But if the ILECs & CLECs have to pay, I see no reason why Vonage shouldn't as well. It is still a telephone call no matter how it is routed. VOIP should get no special exemption.
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by RadioDoc :OK, let's see them adjust their advertising to reflect that their product is not a "phone service'. I am against the USF for any company. But if the ILECs & CLECs have to pay, I see no reason why Vonage shouldn't as well. It is still a telephone call no matter how it is routed. VOIP should get no special exemption. I agree. Everybody pays or NO ONE DOES! Get rid of the USF since it amounts to rural Telco extorting people that live in cities and 'burbs. While we are at it, eliminate that stupid FCC Connection Charge too. It is revenue NOT a Tax.
Vonage advertises, including the mail I get, as a telephone service NOT a data service.
Of course, we can always throw Kevin Martin off a cliff without a parachute. Think of the Children!!!
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halfband
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join:2002-06-01
Huntsville, AL
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Is it a "phone service" well yeah in the sense that it uses a phone, but that's about it. The USF was originally set up to provide pots in rural areas that would have been money losers to wire and service. Since this fund depends on service in one area to subsidise another it kind of breaks the system if anyone gets a choice in where they get there phone service from. And that is exactly what has happened with VOIP. Vonage paying into a fund to support POTS, which they do not sell, makes little sense. This is a case of the social tinkering with the system that has been set up by the politicians being overcome by the events in advancement of technology. The USF is an obsolete idea that will shortly need an overhaul to move into the current age.
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PhoenixDown
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
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Re: Can something like this work for Uverse and FIOS
Is the determination made by the intention of the service (tv, phone, etc) or the medium it is delivered by (IP, COAX, Fiber)? |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to RadioDoc
Re: a data service, not a phone service
How can a data service be a part of the PSTN? |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to PhoenixDown
Re: Can something like this work for Uverse and FIOS
Well, if you're declaring VoIP, which is intended to provide phone-type service, to be not phone, then it seems like a precedent is set to exclude IPTV from cable regulation... though cable regulation and phone regulation are two very different animals. |
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pende_tim
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join:2004-01-04
Andover, NJ | So....
If it is a data service in Nebraska, is should also be a data service in the US and be exempt from the Federal USF also.
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Piggie
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Re: a data service, not a phone service
said by halfband :... The USF was originally set up to provide pots in rural areas that would have been money losers to wire and service. Since this fund depends on service in one area to subsidise another ... The USF is an obsolete idea that will shortly need an overhaul to move into the current age. So I am a rural POTS customer. Which means to me it's a surtax to support my own rural POTS. If the intention was to subsidize me from an urban area, then it should not be on my phone bill either. Or I wish! :@)
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NOCMan
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | reply to TKJunkMail
Why should a customer have to pay twice. Once for the DSL line and once for Vonage?
Now the cable companies should be forced to pay into the USF, but they won that battle ages ago. |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | USF does not apply to the broadband connection.
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zed260
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN
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Re: Can something like this work for Uverse and FIOS
cable phone regulation
heck cable and phone are both becoming more and more a like whats the difference
what we need is new legislation bring it all under one |
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