travisc
join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON | Competing against Bell is fun.
Thankfully, we don't use their network. I'd be a bit pissed right now if we did. |
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RadioDoc
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Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Wow.
Comcast must be wetting themselves over the prospects of doing this in their own network.
Sad state of affairs up there, coming to a US ISP near you.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
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| Too bad you can't throttle your payments
... I was writing out the check to pay for your services when I hit my bandwidth or cash spending limit and had to throttle your payment to $1.58 for the month.
Here's your $1.58, bill balance is paid in full. Enjoy...
Yeah.... wish it worked that way.
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dannyd1
join:2008-03-12
Modesto, CA
3 edits | Bell...
It seems that the big ISPs are trying once again to quash the competitors and give us less choice. Microsoft is another giant that uses this logic to kill their competition and none of us are better for it.
Americans need to get up off their butts and get busy talking, emailing, faxing and doing whatever it takes to get legislation passed that will put a stop on the attack freedom of choice and freedom of enterprize.
Big Typo...sorry had a Bell moment ;-D |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| said by dannyd1  :doing whatever it takes to get legislation passed that will put a stop to freedom of choice and freedom of enterprize. ...
Uh....
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| reply to RadioDoc
Re: Wow.
said by RadioDoc :Comcast must be wetting themselves over the prospects of doing this in their own network. Sad state of affairs up there, coming to a US ISP near you. Are the Canadian cable companies throttling P2P as well? Or is it just the DSL providers?
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mazhurg
Premium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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| Illegal!
What I find troubling is not that Sympatico would filter based on content, ISPs have more or less been given that right by default, but that BCE as a telecomunication company is actively inspecting and taking action on content when they are supposed to be a common carrier.
You can bet that the business customers of Sympatico will not suffer from any type of traffic shaping while those from the independent ISP will be as there are reports already that VPN and other type of connections are being throttled. |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
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Re: Wow.
Boy, what have you got against Comcast? I sincerely doubt they would ever do this to anything but p2p traffic, which if you believe the numbers, could alleviate some 70~80% of the network load. IMHO that would be a good thing.
Or would you rather have AT&T's filtered content approach? |
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xmz
join:2005-06-09
Canada | reply to TKJunkMail
Rogers throttles, for one. |
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DrModem
Premium
join:2006-10-19
USA | reply to JasonD
I lol'd so hard at your post. |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11
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So far there is no evidence of AT&T doing anything but mouthing off about content filtering, not unlike Big Ed used to do when he'd had a couple too many for lunch.
Comcast's transgressions are here for anyone to see, and they've compounded them by lying about it. If you don't think they'd start throttling the download side if they could get away with it, you are very naive.
Those 70-80% numbers are wholly made up unless their network craps out at 100 megabits. If they were true nobody would ever be able to use a cable modem on their networks.
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| How are they doing this?
It was my understanding that Teksavvy was a true wholesale provider, meaning that they provided their own internet access and simply used the Bell copper last mile (as opposed to being a reseller). If they have all their own equipment, and are their own ISP, where is the throttling happening? Is Bell throttling the last mile between the customer and Teksavvy, and if so, how are they doing that?
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Wow.
Cable and DSL seems to be afflicted in Canada.
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jessegr
join:2005-03-05
Gatineau, QC | reply to wifi4milez
Re: How are they doing this?
At the dslam level most likely. |
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ptrowski
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
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| reply to JasonD
Re: Wow.
said by JasonD :
Boy, what have you got against Comcast? I sincerely doubt they would ever do this to anything but p2p traffic, which if you believe the numbers, could alleviate some 70~80% of the network load. IMHO that would be a good thing.
Or would you rather have AT&T's filtered content approach?
Well at least Comcast was so honest and upfront about their "network management" at first. Oh wait..... 
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
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| reply to wifi4milez
Re: How are they doing this?
said by wifi4milez :It was my understanding that Teksavvy was a true wholesale provider, meaning that they provided their own internet access and simply used the Bell copper last mile (as opposed to being a reseller). If they have all their own equipment, and are their own ISP, where is the throttling happening? Is Bell throttling the last mile between the customer and Teksavvy, and if so, how are they doing that? Bell is still the last mile provider, as they own and provision the copper for voice and DSL, from the CO the traffic goes through Bell's nationwide ATM transit and then usually to Toronto where Bell sends off the packets to the provider's network. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to KrK
Re: Too bad you can't throttle your payments
The sad way in many states it does. You can write your check out to a dollar amount in the memo section write "paid in full" and as long as the person cashes the check; that bill is paid in full. |
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TigerLord
Resident Pentaxian
Premium,Mod
join:2002-06-09
Montreal | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Wow.
Cable isn't affected here |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  A question no one wants to ask - is there a need to throttle
1 thing that no one seems to be addressing in this discussion is whether there exists a "NEED to throttle" based on congested networks.
If there truly is congestion conditions(and why would Bell Canada put themselves thru the negative publicity if there wasn't), then maybe what they are doing is justified.
Of course they can start massively upgrading their network, but given current economic conditions and prospects it would certainly be reasonable to put off those expenditures for 8 to 12 months.
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Too bad you can't throttle your payments
said by hottboiinnc :The sad way in many states it does. You can write your check out to a dollar amount in the memo section write "paid in full" and as long as the person cashes the check; that bill is paid in full. And that also opens you up to charges of FRAUD - a criminal offense.
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