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Which means half of the public education system product (drop outs) are disqualified. And the other half wouldn't touch such a job.
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said by james:said by tomkb:Than Mexico it is! :O That's a joke right? | |
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| said by NOYB:Which means half of the public education system product (drop outs) are disqualified. And the other half wouldn't touch such a job. Then how about they as a company do something to make those of us who are competent want to take the job. At Sun even the level 1 folks , not CSC (shudder) were paid well to make them like to come to work everyday. The little things like being able to wear what you want and have managers who work with you when your sick to work from home.
Yeah poor management is a great excuse to blame others for your greed and the issues your greed causes. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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| so the fact that people in india get paid a third if not a quarter of what we get paid here, and they won't bitch an moan about horrible work conditions and that there's no need to pay health benefits or government taxes and fees for them is not a reason why they are offshoring.
Give me a F__KING BREAK!
Well maybe if he decided not to take home the millions he's getting paid, maybe those 5,000 jobs could return home.
AT&T should be renamed to AAT&T... Anti-American Telephone & Telegraph. F__K THEM! | |
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AT&T can't go to hell fast enough. | |
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The only winners I can identify are the lobbyists, they politicians they bought and AT&T management with their golden parachutes. And a handful of Indians. And to add insult to injury, he calls us stupid. HE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Forget the Indians, we're stupid for allowing corporate America to function this way.
This is why Karl keeps reporting on AT&T and why he is so pissed. After you have a front row seat for this crap for 10 years, you just can't scream loud enough. | |
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| Re: Since when... said by Skydeker :
Why are you people such racist huh...? India is not the only counrty being outsource duh.. they outsourced in countries like Ireland, Argentina, mexico even canada. I agree with you that those people ( AT&T Management, Lobbyists ) who benefits from outsourcing because of the cheap labors...but I can tell some of those people are good to work with because they are more dedicated they dont think that working in a call center is a dead end job..like most of americans does... So your saying that working in a call center for $10 an hour and capping out at $15 is acceptable ? That is just messed up logic , we all want to do better for ourselves. And having our pay capped at $15 after 10 years does nothing to keep you happy.
The reason those people are so "dedicated" is because they had next to no money and jobs before this. Once they realize they need more money to survive , they will need raises because they can't buy as much with said pay. The same problem we have now.
The major issue , answer me this , why is it poor countries with no credit , no computers , nothing like it are happy being poor ? Why can they be so happy living from day to day. Ahh thats right they do what they have to to survive and that is all. Not working to make other rich. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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| I am checking out that website. We "dummies" need an education. But you obviously are very smart.Thanks for shedding light on the fact that the lobbyists and company executives are the winners. I tell my friends and family that the only way America will ever see real change is via lobbyist reform because the lobbysists are calling the shots, controlling everything. I believe we should be teaching our kids a lot more about government and economics especially in high school. But the "lobbyists" will see to it that we under-educate American kids to keep America "dumb". They don't want a future generation to be smart enough to even understand how things really work and how this system robs them of their hard earned money and opportunity. LET'S GET THE WORD OUT THAT WE NEED TO STOP VOTING FOR "CORPORATE" POLITICIANS! | |
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| said by T1 Rocky:Everyone is a loser when it comes to AT&T with the exception of the lobbyists and the top of the corporate ladder. Go here to see how much AT&T has spent on lobbyists over the last year » www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/cl···ear=2007 What is AT&T getting in return for those dollars? Their monopoly restored, line items on your phone bill that the govnt "requires" them collect, expansion into vertical markets and possibly an ending to net-neutrality. If you want to hear exactly what lobbying dollars sound like, download the Ted Stevens "Internet is a Series of Tubes" speach on youtube. I absolutely guarantee you that is how a lobbyist explained net neutrality to him so that he could understand it. The consumer loses because we pay more for broadband. The consumer loses because we don't have nearly the broadband penetration that we have already paid for. The country loses because we're falling behind all of the other countries in technology. The stock doesn't move so the stock holders aren't ahead. The only winners I can identify are the lobbyists, they politicians they bought and AT&T management with their golden parachutes.  And a handful of Indians. And to add insult to injury, he calls us stupid. HE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Forget the Indians, we're stupid for allowing corporate America to function this way. This is why Karl keeps reporting on AT&T and why he is so pissed. After you have a front row seat for this crap for 10 years, you just can't scream loud enough. It all goes back to the addage: A fool and their money.
If you don't feed it, it can't grow. Consumers need to take their money elsewhere... pick the company LEAST likely to be so perverse in how they run their business.. If that happens to be a cable company.. so be it. If your locked into a monopoly and AT&T is the only game in town.. I recommend MOVING because probably the rest of your local economy is getting RAPED over the coals too. | |
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Yes. You collect billions from the governemnt in 1997 to build out a fiber network before 2004. You put the billions in your pocket and sprinkle some over to the lobbyists to pass along to the politicians so everyone forgets about that fiber network. Instead you do a media blitz and announce that DSL is the wave of the future! And it works over the good old copper infastructure that's already in place!
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 |  |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | AT&T (Al Qaeda Telephone and Telegraph) wants to have their cake and eat it too (what management doesn't)
1. They want skilled labor (wether or not they use the skils is not another issue) 2. They want that labor to be subject to call center working conditions (scripted, no complaints, low wages, don't question management, etc.)
Sure, you can find skilled workers in north America... If they're skilled at all, they'll stay away from those kind of jobs unless the pay is good (which it typically isn't).
Many other countries will take these jobs and be happy, as its better than the working conditions they would have elsewhere. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 |  |  swhx7Premium join:2006-07-23 Elbonia | said by flyingjoey:so the fact that people in india get paid a third if not a quarter of what we get paid here, and they won't bitch an moan about horrible work conditions and that there's no need to pay health benefits or government taxes and fees for them is not a reason why they are offshoring. Give me a F__KING BREAK! But the foreign workers for whom the TS job is their best alternative, are better educated than the US workers for whom the TS job is their best alternative. In other words, if you can read from a script, then in the USA you can get a job that pays more (and probably is less irksome) than the AT&T is offering for tech support. But abroad, the governments effectively subsidize US outsourcers by providing a sufficient education to workers who are worse off or have lower cost of living than their US counterparts.
So the executive puts a spin on it by pointing out the difference in education and omitting mention of the economic conditions.
It's the same rhetorical trick used by ag companies when they say they need immigrants because US citizens won't do the produce-picking jobs: it's deceitful because they always omit to mention the essential catch that makes it true, the qualification "at the low wage the ag companies are offering". | |
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| Re: Since when... If we want to blame our education system, let's start with one child left behind.
It's causing even smarter kids to leave school because of boredom. I know 2 kids who did it , got GED's and went to college instead.
If we have slow to learn kids can we please put them back in their own damn classes. And let the faster learning get into a class of faster learning kids. We need to advance our kids as fast as possible. It's proven that education stops at a certain age. Or I should say the ability to learn becomes more difficult. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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| Re: Since when... I'm with you.
Whenever I call a company and someone with a "funny" accent picks up, I request to be transfered back to the states... sorry, but I'm really not in the mood to explain my freaken business to someone who can barely follow a normal conversation.
This is what I've come to realize: 1. They only understand basic english words, so if you say this is driving me crazy, they think you're driving a car.
2. You say 10 words they only pick up about 6, and they are so used to not thinking outside the box that they end up asking the same freaken question 10 times over.
Anyway, I do understand that the game has gotten a lot more competive, but if we as consumers make the decision that we will not do business with companies who ship jobs abroad then those companies will understand that "Consumers do have the power to either make you or break out." | |
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Consumer spending Facts suggest none of us. We all want the cheapest products or services we can find. This allows us to have more money left over to spend on more useless consumption.
Then we bitch and moan that American businesses are off shoring jobs. When in reality, these businesses are giving us exactly what we want (and deserve).
Before someone says "well its the "greedy" CxO's in corporate America, blah, blah"... perhaps it's important to remind everyone that our system is capitalistic. Business owners and shareholders risk their hard earned capital (money) for a return on investment. They do not owe anyone a damn thing. If you don't like the value you are getting, change providers. Or better yet, put up your own capital and start a competing business since we seem to feel sooooo strongly that consumers are willing to pay a premium for service if a company has HIGHER prices, but employs more U.S. citizens at higher wages.
Since we have all been socialized to be consumerbots, people that value materialism over everything else, please refrain from blaming companies that give us exactly what we want at the price we want to pay for how they go about doing that. | |
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Not that I think CEOs deserve hundreds of millions a year either. Consumers want to pay nothing but expect services as if they had paid loads of money. | |
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Amen. I love it how everyone thinks they "deserve" a job. Yet, they loooovveeeee Walmart! | |
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 |  |  |  hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA kudos:1 | Re: Since when... said by Eatmeingreek:The telecommunications monopolies are an excellent example of capitalism at work. Well done! I'm going to continue to actually engage in capitalism by being as materialistic as possible, and the thought that it will annoy sour leftists like yourself to no end will only bring a smile to my lips. umm, did you forget your sarcasm tag? -- Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. | |
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I vote we erode executive compensation and slash the massive profit margins on things like SMS/MMS in half. Should pay for it without the need to raise rates. | |
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 |  |  |  dogmaXYZPremium join:2002-08-15 Boulder City, NV kudos:1 1 edit | said by disc:said by dogma:Business owners and shareholders risk their hard earned capital (money) for a return on investment. Except when they want a bailout. Then their risk seems to be mysteriously shared with us tax payers. It's no mystery.
Let's not fool ourselves. When the mayor of New York spends $80 Million on his campaign [fact: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg ], for a job that pays $300K/year, he (and the rest of the world BTW) knows something the rest of us are in absolute denial about:
U.S. consumers are suckers and fools and get exactly what they deserve.
WE voted for these people. The people that authorize the corporate bailouts with our great grand children's taxes. We did that freely. We allowed ourselves to let TeeeVeee & advertising legitimize candidates...and the entire political system for that matter. We are given two choices...and we think we have an actual choice. Like a $5 HIV-riddled street whore, we succumb to the seduction and lay down with her because we are too lazy to think our actions through...then wonder why we don't feel so good the next morning.
I hate the fact that our tax dollars are underwriting corporate welfare...to the tune of $600 Billion in the past 10 Months alone. But TeeeVeee tells us it's "illegal immigrants" that are to blame for our woes. That it's some ghetto welfare queen that's to blame for our woes. Or some poor Iraq guy trying to protect his wife and kids from death.
And we believe it. Why? Because we want to believe it. We have to believe it. If we didn't, we would need to look into the mirror and realize our little lives are powerless...and we damn sure don't want that. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Re: Since when... said by dogma:said by disc:said by dogma:Business owners and shareholders risk their hard earned capital (money) for a return on investment. Except when they want a bailout. Then their risk seems to be mysteriously shared with us tax payers. It's no mystery. Let's not fool ourselves. When the mayor of New York spends $80 Million on his campaign [fact: » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg ], for a job that pays $300K/year, he (and the rest of the world BTW) knows something the rest of us are in absolute denial about: U.S. consumers are suckers and fools and get exactly what they deserve. WE voted for these people. The people that authorize the corporate bailouts with our great grand children's taxes. We did that freely. We allowed ourselves to let TeeeVeee & advertising legitimize candidates...and the entire political system for that matter. We are given two choices...and we think we have an actual choice. Like a $5 HIV-riddled street whore, we succumb to the seduction and lay down with her because we are too lazy to think our actions through...then wonder why we don't feel so good the next morning. I hate the fact that our tax dollars are underwriting corporate welfare...to the tune of $600 Billion in the past 10 Months alone. But TeeeVeee tells us it's "illegal immigrants" that are to blame for our woes. That it's some ghetto welfare queen that's to blame for our woes. Or some poor Iraq guy trying to protect his wife and kids from death. And we believe it. Why? Because we want to believe it. We have to believe it. If we didn't, we would need to look into the mirror and realize our little lives are powerless...and we damn sure don't want that. That's the problem with a lot of posters on this site, and people in this country. Everything things that goes wrong in their life is someone else's fault. Personal accountability means nothing. Obesity is the fault of fast food, not because people eat too much, don't exercise, or read labels. That's the sad world we live in now. | |
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 |  |  | | said by dogma:So which one of you "consumers" here is willing to pay 10% - 15% more for your cell/voice service so that AT&T can pay higher, so-called living wages to their entry level employees? Consumer spending Facts suggest none of us. We all want the cheapest products or services we can find. This allows us to have more money left over to spend on more useless consumption. They do not owe anyone a damn thing. If you don't like the value you are getting, change providers. Or better yet, put up your own capital and start a competing business since we seem to feel sooooo strongly that consumers are willing to pay a premium for service if a company has HIGHER prices, but employs more U.S. citizens at higher wages. Since we have all been socialized to be consumerbots, people that value materialism over everything else, please refrain from blaming companies that give us exactly what we want at the price we want to pay for how they go about doing that. I, for one, am willing to pay 10% to 15% (or even 100%) more for a premium service level. Apparently today, premium means someone who (a) answers the phone and (b) speaks english.
AT&T, IBM, Motorola, HP, just to name a few, used to deliver quality products and services, at prices much higher than we pay today. As a testament, all of my IBM keyboards and AT&T/Western Electric phones from the 1980's are still in use today.
Today, we pay a large premium for Toyota or Honda over "american" brands, because they don't break.
To suggest that the consumer isn't willing to pay more for quality (and therefore, value) is a bunch of nonsense.
As for your suggestion that critics start their own firms, that's nice, but will you offer them the same 100-year historical government subsidy the current "competitive" monopolies enjoy? | |
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 |  |  |  dogmaXYZPremium join:2002-08-15 Boulder City, NV kudos:1 | Re: Since when... said by Joe Consumer :
I, for one, am willing to pay 10% to 15% (or even 100%) more for a premium service level. Apparently today, premium means someone who (a) answers the phone and (b) speaks english.
AT&T, IBM, Motorola, HP, just to name a few, used to deliver quality products and services, at prices much higher than we pay today. As a testament, all of my IBM keyboards and AT&T/Western Electric phones from the 1980's are still in use today.
Today, we pay a large premium for Toyota or Honda over "american" brands, because they don't break.
To suggest that the consumer isn't willing to pay more for quality (and therefore, value) is a bunch of nonsense.
As for your suggestion that critics start their own firms, that's nice, but will you offer them the same 100-year historical government subsidy the current "competitive" monopolies enjoy? Good points. AT&T has a brand for you, it's called iPhone. You pay more...especially for the device and you get better service. But the iPhone itself is made overseas.
You may be romanticizing industrial history a bit. There was a time when American consumers had no real choice but to buy domestic cars. These cars were designed to fall apart after a few years, thus the current value perception. When foreign makes were imported in mass, they just lasted longer. So now, consumers still buy on the cheap in that a Honda that has a 8-year life at $30K is better than 2 Chevrolet's that last 4 years at $20K each. I do concede that today, most of that is a consumer perception...but it is based on a long history of piss-poor American cars.
Also IBM/Motorola/HP have all been manufacturing offshore for the past 40 years. Because there is a domestic brand on it, doesn't necessarily mean made in the U.S.A.
With respect to what seemingly sounds like a fear of competition, rest assured if you have a better mousetrap (which means overall value; quality/performance/price) you will have no problem competing with monopolies. I use PAcket8 VoIP & dslextreme DSL. Both have been around for some time. Thank goodness those entrepreneurs didn't share the same unfounded fears as some. | |
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People don't want the cheapest products they can find in order to buy the latest crap they don't need. They want the cheapest products they can find just so they can afford to keep their houses and keep food on the table.
Watch this »www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A before spouting off about useless consumption. | |
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| said by dogma:So which one of you "consumers" here is willing to pay 10% - 15% more for your cell/voice service so that AT&T can pay higher, so-called living wages to their entry level employees? BS. They should just stop making raping profits. They took the jobs, sent em overseas, and pocketed the extra profits. I have no sympathy for them and the argument they have to raise prices to afford to pay Americans decent wages. They just need to stop demanding they make 500% profit on every product. Maybe if regulators would do their jobs and step in and punish and seize the assets of companies that pull crap like this then they wouldn't have gotten so used the entitlement mentality that determines what price points they'll "allow" consumers to pay. -- "Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) | |
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| said by hopeflicker:...do you need to have skills to read a script? The ability to read a script is not the problem (although a 50% droup out rate is SHAMEFUL!). With today's technology, and the level of connectivity available, any house wife, or college student, can set aside a few hours a day, at home, and read that script to a user via a re-directed phone call.
It's the higher level jobs, those which pay well which are the bigger issue. "We're able to do new product engineering in Bangalore as easily as we're able to do it in Austin, Texas....I You need more than a high school diploma to do "product Development", software engineering, data analysis, route management, stress testing...... etc. Rapacious Capitalism will outsource as much labor as is profitable. That means practically ALL work except the janitorial services required to keep the facilities clean.
As a population, as a culture, we need to protect our livelihoods, by making the corporations who we purchase from and thereby fund, work for our best interests.
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 |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: TIA OFMG - that's pretty bad... I'm glad that I had my education in Canada. LAUSD here in Los Angeles is pretty bad as well. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 |  MizzatWill post for thumbsPremium join:2003-05-03 Atlanta, GA kudos:1 | Which is harder to understand, the english of an average overseas worker or the english of a high school drop out? | |
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 |  |  53059959Temp banned from BBR more then anyone join:2002-10-02 PwnZone | Re: Since when... lol! whatever happened to america owns the rest of the world? seems like the rest of the world owns us now. I think it's time to move to a different country so I can feel good about myself again. | |
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B) Maybe instead of cutting this moron 100 million dollar bonus checks like many other washed up CEOS, we use that money to fund jobs. O wait, that's anti American speak. Using money to help bring jobs back here instead of enriching one man? Hot damn, that's witch talk.
C) All the lobbyists in the world might be able to bribe politicians but it sure can't sugarcoat this pile of crap company. | |
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 |  whatthe join:2003-05-13 Urbandale, IA | The movie Idiocracy is already reality. Go away! 'Batin'! | |
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We you don't need any skills to become a US presidenmt either. Shrub has proved it beyond doubt. AT&T has been in cahoots with the Bushama admin to tread on our civil liberties. I am pretty sure the shrub admin will bail them out like bears and sterns. Who cares for the average American | |
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 | | Finding 5000 co-op students is a challenge anywhere, especially with the turnover you get with students.
Perhaps if the PAID their agents a livable salary, they would attract more heads. | |
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 |  halo5 join:2000-07-20 Dayton, OH | Re: Finding 5000 co-op students Beat me by 23 seconds.  | |
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 halo5 join:2000-07-20 Dayton, OH | Hmmm... Or maybe it's because people that have any tech savvy scoff at what they pay?
If they hired in at $7/hr., no wonder they get nothing but meatheads applying. | |
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| Re: Hmmm... I presume you're referring to some suburban Chicago district and not the Chicago Public Schools, because those are still pretty lousy. But if the graduation rate in any district in Florida is worse than Chicago, that's pretty damned awful. -- If everything seems to be going well, you've obviously overlooked something. | |
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| So, what, is he saying that those thousands of employees they laid off in the first place wouldn't do an acceptable job? I was laid off by the Deathstar in 2002 and neither myself or the other 150 or so employees at my location who were booted from the company then has seen or heard from an AT&T rep looking for employees. It's convenient to play the "Americans are too stupid" game when you are trying to justify keeping jobs in India, but get serious, they aren't looking. Many of us were with AT&T for over a decade and had stayed with the company through relocations, reorganizations and downsizings. We moved from state to state, changed shifts, took lesser paying jobs, did everything we could to stay with the company until we were finally let go. And now you can't find us?
AT&T offered (or used to) above average wages and benefits (where are you going to find free healthcare for individuals nowadays?) before we were laid off. If that is still the case, I can't begin to imagine why they can't attract decent, intelligent people to fill open positions. This makes me think they either aren't looking or what they're offering is much worse than it used to be. Get serious, Randy, you ain't looking hard enough. | |
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 CorydonCultivant son jardinPremium join:2008-02-18 Denver, CO | Bull... There's plenty of good people out there who can man the phones. The problem is they want them to work at slave wages.
They can pay half as much for college grads (some with graduate degrees) in India, the Philippines, and elsewhere. So as long as customer service is an afterthought and considered a drag on the balance sheet, not a means of differentiating yourself from the competition, that's what we'll keep on getting.
Moreover, considering that AT&T and other countries destroyed their own domestic customer service infrastructure when they shipped everything overseas in the first place, I have even less sympathy. Of course it's going to take a long time to rebuild that. | |
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 |  emptywigHuh? What?Premium join:2002-08-05 Pasadena, TX | Re: Everybodys pissed... Or form a complete sentence...
Trying to talk to some of these people makes me want to kill myself! "What, you ain't got no tape?" The Indians in the call centers at least speak perfect English, even if their accent is hard to understand. I'd love to train some of my production people to come up front and sell to our customers, but they can't speak well enough.
I think money probably has more to do with the jobs going overseas, but the fact is that there are too many people trying to enter the US workforce with marginal verbal skills or technical knowledge. The idea that we have the best-educated and most productive workers in the world is just flat-out nonsense today. It might have been true in my Dad's day, but its not true today.
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| Not the education systems fault... I blame it on the attitude that I saw in high school and college years ago where students would say:
"I don't like Math (or Science, etc.)"
And then proceeded to not even really give an effort to do well, half-assing their way through class after class.
Is it any wonder there is a shortage of technically competent people in the workforce?
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| Re: Not the education systems fault... I believe it is the fault of the students themselves. Here we have teachers that work for low pay, trying to teach our students and what do they get? Here's a list:
The class idiot that doesn't give a crap. The class clown that thinks life is a joke. The class dumbass that will end up on welfare. The class screwup that wants everything handed to them. The class knucklehead that doesn't even want to be there.
Need I go on? Kids today use calculators, yes, CALCULATORS in math class. When I was in school, calculators weren't allowed, and you actually had to work on math problems. If you didn't do the work, you didn't pass. Teachers end up passing these screwballs just to get them out of their classrooms. To them, it's "Oh God, not an other year of Johnny Disruptive. Their job is hard enough. A teacher can't even yell at a student without it being "child abuse". Give me a break already.
With both parents working or one parent absent, kids practically raise themselves and they see an uncaring world where they can pretty much do whatever they want.
If you look at other countries, they have a strict educational system, kids are taught from a young age who's boss, how they're expected to act, and yes, they suffer the consequences when they do something wrong. America's educational system isn't screwed up, America's values are. Parents aren't allowed to punish their kids without some "child protective services" drone wanting to get into every aspect of their lives. If you don't know rain, how can you appreciate sunshine? If you don't know pain, how can you appreciate pleasure? When I was growing up, I admit, I'd been on the receiving end of a good whippin' . Not that often but enough for me to learn not to get in trouble and to respect my elders.
Yet here we are wondering why good jobs are sent overseas. Tell me, if you were a CEO, would you rather have an employee who was respectful, valued their job, was on time, took pride in their work, and actually worked for their pay, or would you want Johnny Lazy who grew up being a disruptive, disrespectful idiot of a kid who did whatever they wanted and has the attitude that they can also do so in their adult life? To me, the choice is an obvious one.
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Then you hold onto them as much as possible , this includes raises above the 3% mark and trying to keep the rest of your workers happy , free coffee and muffins , donuts and bagels. Little perks to keep folks happy and productive. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" | |
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 | | Having worked at what is now known as AT&T I can say that it's funny to see this article in particular, mostly due to the fact that their hiring program is rather sketchy. I'm an auditor now, and if I were to audit their HR department, I'm sure I'd have a good ole time.
First, they just hired people in bulk. There was little screening that actually occurred. Then, they gave you extra money solely due to the presence of a degree of some kind - it could be in video game development for all they cared, and they didn't verify said degree was issued from an accredited institution. Finally, they gave you a raise just for passing training. Tons of people would just get out of the training, having made their money, then quit.
The other problem is that what AT&T calls "Customer Service" isn't. The position was called Customer Sales & Service Representative. You had to offer them something on every single call. If I'm doing customer service, I don't expect to be selling. If I'm doing sales I don't expect to be doing customer service.
To the article, that they can't find "Skilled workers" is bogus. What they mean to say is that they can't find people who are willing to be pressured non-stop to sell, sell, sell, monitored at all times of the day (often by people who have it out for you), or want to be forced to sacrifice work/life balance for the money that they do pay base. Sure the commission rates are fantastic. But for someone who doesn't want that pressure and just wants to focus on service, it's just not feasible.
I'm also not surprised that CWA or whatever their name is doesn't half care about the offshoring; they're in bed with AT&T and could care less about the employees really. Before you argue, think about it: If the union really was employee-friendly, do you honestly think offshoring would have even gone through? No. But because of the kickbacks CWA gets from AT&T, they say quiet about those kinds of things. | |
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| Re: Having worked at what is now known as AT&T said by ReVeLaTeD: ... I'm also not surprised that CWA or whatever their name is doesn't half care about the offshoring; they're in bed with AT&T and could care less about the employees really. Apathy on the part of the workers! How many of them are involved in the union? How many attend union meetings? How many vote in union elections? How many demand action from their shop stewards?
I worked for British Airways, and for TWA, we (the telecommunications staff) were represented by the teamsters, along with the stewardesses. I experienced one "job action", we went on strike for 4 hours, during which time no truck would enter the TWA facilities to deliver parts or supplies. None of the IT staff would cross the stewardesses picket lines, and the dispute was settled immediately.
... Before you argue, think about it: If the union really was employee-friendly, do you honestly think offshoring would have even gone through? Of course not. that's my point. If the members of the union do not take an active part in the union itself, nothing but corruption will result. It's a function of worker apathy! If workers took an active role in the business of their union, instead of the typical American tendency to treat everything as a big tit to suck on, instead of something to get involved with, power would return to the people, where it in reality resides!
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| Re: Having worked at what is now known as AT&T Or you could be a member of my union, where it's explicitly stated in our bargaining agreement we are not allowed to strike, walk-out or picket or do anything else to disrupt our employer. And if we choose not to be members of our union, the employer still takes the same amount of our money out of our paychecks as what the dues are, but we can opt to give it to a "charity" instead (and no, giving it to ourselves doesn't count, I already asked).
So basically, our union sucks because someone bent over and dropped trou awhile back and now our employer has us by the balls and the union is also its bitch. Doesn't help when the employer threatens to fire the union head who actually has a job with the very same employer every time the union wants to raise an issue. Thoroughly cowed it is.
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Case in point: During training one of the installers who happened to be an active union member, came and spoke to us about what he did daily. When the trainer left, he fielded questions about salary and other things (not giving numbers, just methodology based on his 10+ years on the job). I can't count the number of times he said "grieve that!".
We were informed after the fact that the poor man was fired. For expressing an opinion that we, the employees, had the choice to listen to or not. Regardless of whether it was remotely disruptive, the fact remains it was our right to grieve whatever we were dissatisfied with, and he wasn't telling us to do anything outside the boundaries of our "rights".
Union meetings? In the time I was there I was never invited to a union meeting except the very first one, where I filled out that card that essentially said, "You don't have to join the union, but you're paying dues regardless and you're subject to union requirements regardless" and they sold how wonderful SBC's benefits were and this and that. There also were no union elections that I was invited to. Bottom line, yes there was corruption, but it had nothing to do with apathy on part of the workers. If it were an open union like the one you're describing, it wouldn't have made a lick of difference. | |
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Man, I'm glad that unions are strong across the pond, but I'd like you to come down to the Deep South sometime. Attempt to form a union chapter at IBM, HP, Earthlink (oh, wait, sorry, no workers left there, just execs), Kodak, Web.com, or Lanier. Your ass will be fired "at-will" so fast your head will spin.
The only ones I know to get away with it down here are the IBEW, the BST Union, Lockheed, and the Ford and GM plants. Yet, compared to elsewhere, their power is for shit. Lockheed laughed at the Marietta plant's attempts to strike and just fired a bunch of them. The Ford and GM plants are shutting down. Few pay any attention to what the IBEW want. The BST Union only works for you if you're of African-American heritage.
Again, WHAT union? It might be different with you Brits, but here in the USA it's a different story. | |
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| Organization Organization is the key to the problem of out-sourcing.
If thousands of AT&T customers threatened to find another provider unless AT&T stops outsourcing jobs, the practice would end. Ultimately, the consumer has the final say; but it must be an active, informed, and organized consumer.
If we want to change things, we can't look toward our government to make those changes, rather we must look to ourselves, to our fellow consumers, and yes to the unions representing the workers who's jobs are being displaced.
Take the profit out of out-sourcing, by significantly reducing the offending company's revenue, and by disrupting operations by union actions.
We can't do it individually, but together, we actually rule! If the American public were to realize this fact, and would organize, these problems would vanish overnight.
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 |  viperpa33sWhy Me?Premium join:2002-12-20 Bradenton, FL | Re: Organization Bullshit.....
Though I do agree our school system is on shambles and kids don't want to learn, I don't agree there is not enough skilled workers. I know a few people who have skills in computers but can't get a job. The reason being is because of the pay. I also know employers who look for specific qualifications and it's hard to get workers that are just specific in one area. There is also other reasons why a company won't hire you. Either you under qualified or over qualified for the job.
We already seen with Dell what transferring jobs overseas does to there bottom line. Dell thought they were saving money when in fact they were losing money due to poor customer service. | |
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You may have options where you are, but half of America either has to do business with the telcos or go without. | |
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 |  | | said by TamaraB:Organization is the key to the problem of out-sourcing. If thousands of AT&T customers threatened to find another provider unless AT&T stops outsourcing jobs, the practice would end. Ultimately, the consumer has the final say; but it must be an active, informed, and organized consumer. If we want to change things, we can't look toward our government to make those changes, rather we must look to ourselves, to our fellow consumers, and yes to the unions representing the workers who's jobs are being displaced. Take the profit out of out-sourcing, by significantly reducing the offending company's revenue, and by disrupting operations by union actions. We can't do it individually, but together, we actually rule! If the American public were to realize this fact, and would organize, these problems would vanish overnight. Bob The customers have jobs and do not care. Or the customers have checks from the government and do not care. or the customer and the whole family is on drugs and still robs and pays for drugs and broadband and does not care. Cheap as possible. They all have real jobs. Either real and educated and so far above and do not care. Or no job paid by the government checks each month and cheap counts. Or rob and steal and cheap dsl then more money for drugs. | |
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He never said any such thing. You are being inflammatory to incite people, per your regular inappropriate MO.
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| Re: More of Karl's Inflammatory Incitement Perhaps you cannot read in between the lines...
"I had a business that half the product we turned out was defective or you couldn't put into the marketplace, I would shut that business down," he said. "We're able to do new product engineering in Bangalore as easily as we're able to do it in Austin, Texas....I know you don't like hearing that, but that's the way it is."
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"You folks in Austin are particularly incompetent, apparently."
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"You folks in Austin are particularly incompetent, apparently."
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| Re: My 4th grade Autistic kind can read the script! said by dsless:I have let him speak to some of these "tech support/sales reps " and he knows more than they do. How about dumper that a 4th grader? Then reality show? Because there is not enough people smarter than a 5th grader. Maybe your 4th grader is an autistic savant.  | |
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| Weird This reminds me of the movie "Primary Colors" when John Travoltas character talks about how jobs are being moved to other countries and how he would fund schooling and help people get higher education. -- ----gg's and happy gaming---- | |
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