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| What % of File-sharing is Legal?
I've read only 1%.
If you have different, post the fact and link.
Don't give me the stealing is okay argument. Just facts.
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We keep hearing the same crap. 80% of all network traffic is p2p copyrighted material. The internet is costing the entertainment industry a gazillion dollars a year in lost revenue.
Lots of words with little truth IMO. Numbers put together by the publicity department probably.
Frankly I could not care less about p2p because I don't use it, but why should ISP's be the internet police. |
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| That will work
mandatory filtering laws passed on an international scale.
LOL, WTF is an international law?
silly, silly corrupt organization. 
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| Wow. I agree with Verizon
This is a rare day indeed, but I agree with the Verizon representative.
Can I even realistically assume that I could do those kinds of things? I'm not sure I could if I wanted to, but I don't think that's our job. Even if they wanted to police the Internet for copyright violations, they could never fully succeed. There is just no way for them to tell which content is copyrighted *AND* being transferred without proper permission. Remember, content could be transferred without permission but be public domain or be copyrighted and transferred with permission. Also remember that "content" could be music, movies, books, software, photos, etc. So it's not just a simple matter of screening for audio or video files.
And even if Verizon decided to put a filter in place, they would lose their Common Carrier status and open themselves to lawsuits over the pirated materials that they didn't block. Someone downloaded a photo of mine and shared it via their FIOS connection? Sue Verizon, they have bigger pockets and should have filtered it. (For clarification, that's what a lawyer's reasoning would be, not mine.)
Verizon's smart to ignore the MPAA and focus on being a pipe provider. As a content provider, it's the MPAA's job to find where pirated material is coming from and make the effort to take it offline (via DMCA notice most likely). They just want to shift the cost off of them to someone else.
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| They don't want to filter...Posh...Posh I say
They don't want to filter...so why is it Verizon customers can't run a standard Web server? They certainly filter out TCP port 80.
But what the speaker said is in essence true. With redirection services available (WebHop comes to mind), www.mydomain.net:80 becomes www2.mydomain:8800, problem sort of solved. Often, it doesn't take a whole ton of technology to steer around such silliness.
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Re: Here we go again
said by bgraham  :We keep hearing the same crap. 80% of all network traffic is p2p copyrighted material. The internet is costing the entertainment industry a gazzilion dollars a year in lost revenue. Lots of words with little truth IMO. Yeah, we know how these organizations like to make up numbers. And it's been proven that they have made up numbers before.
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|  The mall analogy
I have a good analogy on why ISPs should police their service.
Take a shopping mall:
It has customers(same as internet)
It has providers,the stores(same as internet)
The mall is there just as a service mechanism(same as an ISP on the internet) so that customers can reach the providers.
But a mall polices their property and they don't allow fences to sell stolen goods or other illegal operations to setup and devalue the worth of their service.
And an ISP shouldn't allow illegal operations to take place over their service.
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Re: Wow. I agree with Verizon
I second you in that this is also not to mention transfer of copyrighted material which I own. Gee...I take the tunes I paid for and copy them from a repository on my home computer to where I work...no copyright infringement, just added convenience. And if these net filters are in place, this legitimate transfer is thus illegitimately stopped.
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Alphy
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Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal?
Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that |
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Re: The mall analogy
said by TKJunkMail :I have a good analogy on why ISPs should police their service. Take a shopping mall: It has customers(same as internet) It has providers,the stores(same as internet) The mall is there just as a service mechanism(same as an ISP on the internet) so that customers can reach the providers. But a mall polices their property and they don't allow fences to sell stolen goods or other illegal operations to setup and devalue the worth of their service. And an ISP shouldn't allow illegal operations to take place over their service. You do make me chuckle.
You missed the part where mall security opens every box of merchandise that comes into the stores and checks for stolen goods. |
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The issue is that the shopping mall gets their revenues from the stores where-as ISP's get their revenues from the customers.
In the mall, it is in the best interest to appease the shops in the malls, because the shops are the ones paying the rent. Customers don't pay an entry fee to get into malls. They pay the businesses that rent out space.
On the Internet, the customers pay the entry fee. Therefore, it is not in the best interest of their business to be policing the Internet.
Also, you need to start thinking for yourself. It's not theft. It's Copyright Infringement.
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Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal?
I'd believe it. Take a look at any file sharing search engine and see what the top results are. Every one I've seen, the first few pages of results are all copyrighted, stuff (either music, movies or software). |
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hopeflicker
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Re: The mall analogy
said by TKJunkMail :I have a good analogy on why ISPs should police their service. Take a shopping mall: It has customers(same as internet) It has providers,the stores(same as internet) The mall is there just as a service mechanism(same as an ISP on the internet) so that customers can reach the providers. But a mall polices their property and they don't allow fences to sell stolen goods or other illegal operations to setup and devalue the worth of their service. And an ISP shouldn't allow illegal operations to take place over their service. But ultimately it's the stores responsibility. Leave it for the highway patrol and not the states organization that paves roads.
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said by TKJunkMail :I have a good analogy on why ISPs should police their service. Take a shopping mall: It has customers(same as internet) It has providers,the stores(same as internet) The mall is there just as a service mechanism(same as an ISP on the internet) so that customers can reach the providers. But a mall polices their property and they don't allow fences to sell stolen goods or other illegal operations to setup and devalue the worth of their service. And an ISP shouldn't allow illegal operations to take place over their service. I agree but the cops should do the arresting of the "fences." A DVD for example being stolen is like 5 years and a $250,000 fine. The mail has a phone to call the cops. ISPs, in the spirit of intelligence and not getting sued, should remain dumb pipes. It is the trademark and copyright holders decision to sue thieves, and it is the feds job to send violators to jail.
I'm for open P2P with one little distinction: if you are caught illegally file-sharing, you get two warnings then your HSI connection is cut for one year. And, no, I don't think IP address should be turned over without a lawsuit and a subpoena to the IP address user.
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Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal?
Let's just go ahead and "believe" or "have a feeling" because of what we see.
Good thing we dont run our country this way. no, wait...
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| I agree - F the pirates.
But the problem is the MPAA always goes for the scorched earth tactic and whatever they'll want will certainly tie up legit users like me.
I'm already a victim of piracy by having to jump through activation hoops and deal with DRM. Because of dumbass freeloading pirates forcing content creators to aggressively protect their property, I have a harder time using my legally purchased stuff. |
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Dogfather
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Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal?
Yeah, don't use common sense or anything. Deny reality and claim that file-sharing isn't primarily piracy traffic.
It's a shame we don't run the country using more common sense. |
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said by Alphy :Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago.
I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct.
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Re: I agree - F the pirates.
said by Dogfather :But the problem is the MPAA always goes for the scorched earth tactic and whatever they'll want will certainly tie up legit users like me. I'm already a victim of piracy by having to jump through activation hoops and deal with DRM. Because of dumbass freeloading pirates forcing content creators to aggressively protect their property, I have a harder time using my legally purchased stuff. Honestly, that is a good argument for me NOT buying CDs anymore with "rootkits" and aggressive DRM I did NOT want on my computer. I personally think backing up DVDs and CDs is okay but sharing across the Net is a different story.
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Re: What % of File-sharing is Legal?
said by supergirl :said by Alphy :Where did you read that it was 1%? Please link me to that I believe it was in the NY Times a few years ago. I've went to Torrent sites. All I saw was illegal stuff. So, I bet the 99% of file-sharing is illegal is probably correct. No, no, no. You got it backwards. The NYT said only 1% was illegal. I recently visited a torrent site and everything I saw was legal. I'm sure 99% of file-sharing is legal is probably correct.
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