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| White Space causes RFI to other wireless devices?
I see the FCC is refusing to perform any more test on White Space devices, in part, because they cause RFI to other wireless devices....
Too bad they don't consider BPL caused RFI in the same way.
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|  FCC only refusing to test 1 specific device again
They are continuing to test other white space devices and are open to testing new submissions. The NAB is just making a mountain out of a mole hill when they crow about their success. Nothing has really changed. The FCC is still considering use of white space spectrum for unlicensed use.
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n2jtx
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Re: White Space causes RFI to other wireless devices?
said by Ed_5588 :
I see the FCC is refusing to perform any more test on White Space devices, in part, because they cause RFI to other wireless devices....
Too bad they don't consider BPL caused RFI in the same way.
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Yeah, they are kind of funny about that. One has to follow the money to get a clearer picture:
Poor Hams vs. Rich BPL Industry
BPL Wins!
Relatively Poor White Space Coalition vs. Very Rich NAB
NAB Wins!
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That's because it didn't occur in as significant a fashion as some were hoping. Most if not all concerns have been addressed, and it is currently in use with little to no problems reported, especially with the more recent projects, where interference issues have been addressed.
I've heard back from several local emergency personnel in these areas who should be affected but aren't, what gives? Perhaps its just a bunch of asynchronized whining that's causing the interference? |
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Sammer
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2 edits | Should be treated like LPTV
Rural broadband providers using television spectrum should be licensed similarly to LPTV because except for the use of transceiver devices it's really much the same and it would be fairest to everyone. If the government thinks unlicensed devices are such a great idea how about using them in the 225-400 MHz spectrum that is largely controlled by the government. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | reply to n2jtx
Re: White Space causes RFI to other wireless devices?
How a coalition that includes the likes of Google and Microsoft can be considered "poor" is beyond me... |
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Walter Dnes
join:2008-01-27
Thornhill, ON | Give them some *REALLY* unused TV channels
Why doesn't the FCC simply assign the 18 contiguous mhz of VHF-LO channels 2, 3, and 4 to those devices, and let them go play in their sandbox? There are virtually no broadcasters whatsoever wanting those TV channels after the analog shutdown. |
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n2jtx
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Re: White Space causes RFI to other wireless devices?
said by EPS :How a coalition that includes the likes of Google and Microsoft can be considered "poor" is beyond me... Google and Microsoft are investors, not owners. The NAB is comprised of the owners of several thousand radio and television stations.
I used the term "relatively poor" in comparison to the NAB that would have a lot more lobbying money.
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| Yes, but how well are many of those radio and television owners doing? Radio companies don't really have much money to throw around (Clear Channel, the largest radio broadcaster, gets as much money from its billboard division as it does from radio advertising), and over-the-air TV broadcasters are getting more and more squeezed too- perhaps the big conglomerates, Disney, CBS Corp, and GE (I assume since they have owned and operated stations they're members) have the money to throw around to the NAB, but most of those several thousand? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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Re: Give them some *REALLY* unused TV channels
I agree, its time for some ultra low mhz band dedicated to cellphones/mobile devices. After the analog cellphone shutdown people have lost coverage, carriers don't care. Europe has 450 mhz ex-NMT, which sounds great according to »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Mob···elephone . Time for America to have a similar network. Its pathetic for a superpower country to have to rely on a satellite phones like they are in the middle of nowhere desert/jungle/mountains in a 3rd world nation. |
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| They want it for themselves, DUH!
The reason they don't want the white space used is because they want to be able to cram more channels of worthless programming with commercials into those spaces.
So we can all continue to sit there and stare blankly at the screen.
Just what we need, more reality TV. |
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join:2000-05-11 |  Thank you for illustrating your utter lack of knowledge about this subject.
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rf_engineer
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USA | reply to patcat88
Re: Give them some *REALLY* unused TV channels
All the analog coverage was replaced with digital, so where's the lost coverage? |
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
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Re: Should be treated like LPTV
said by Sammer :Rural broadband providers using television spectrum should be licensed similarly to LPTV because except for the use of transceiver devices it's really much the same and it would be fairest to everyone. For so-called "access" white-space devices, that certainly woould be a fair and equitable way. The way the FCC defines these, they are WISP-type devices, alhough they are currently proposing them to be unlicesensed.. IEEE is even working on a standard for them, 802.22. Although the broadcasters and the wireless microphone makers (both legal and illegal) are working in that group, seemingly to delay the standard as much as they can.
I believe what's being discussed here is lower-power wi-fi-like "personal/portable" devices, designed for short-range LAN communications. What would be "fairest to everyone" is if they were treated by the FCC the same as the hundreds of thousands of low-power unlicensed devices already in the TV band; namely, the legal ones (TV remote controls) and the illegal ones (unlicensed wireless microphones). Despite what the NAB says, these have been operating for many years in "white space", and the sky hasn't fallen. |
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Sammer
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Canonsburg, PA | No the sky won't fall, over the air viewers will just periodically lose reception of one or more channels. This will seem virtually inexplicable because most channels will continue to be received perfectly. |
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Re: They want it for themselves, DUH!
There's alot of that going around, Doc! |
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