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Comments on news posted 2008-03-31 16:39:20: Buried beneath the noise surrounding Bell Canada's effort to annoy independent ISPs and their customers, Canadian cable operator Rogers last week informed its customers they'd be facing new overage charges. ..

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bthornhill

join:2004-05-10
·voip.ms

marketing doublespeak

quote:
in this case 60GB equates to 6,291,456 e-mails and 1,572,864 page views, the letter kindly informs us, with pictures.
...or a single HD movie


jessegr

join:2005-03-05
Gatineau, QC
Canadian internet is going to shit.

Canadian internet is going to shit.

neufuse

join:2006-12-06
Indiana, PA
·Comcast

Capping isn't the future...

What the future is is fiber optic connections straight to the house that replace HFC completely and the user gets a fixed bandwidth that incrementally drops down towards 100kbit as they go over set cap limits say they hit 50GB they drop to half their speed... 100GB 1/3rd 200GB 1/6th and so on until they hit a "overuse tier" where they have enough to surf but that is about it... until the next month where they reset... cap's right now are common because the technology is not where it should be, cramming QAM channels using up every single one not channel bonding not using the new DOCSIS 3 (yes i know its not really out yet) not laying fiber to the premisis... all kinda ways they can fix the problem with out doing per gb billing and abuse terminate capping...


gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
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Winterville, NC
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Up? Down? Up and Down?

Did I miss it, or did they not say if this is for downloading and uploading, or just downloading?

If they want to start charging this way, they need to crank up the modems wide open, and let dog eat dog.
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zinc
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join:2004-02-17
Woodbridge, ON
clubs:
85 hour days?

2040 hours / month
= ~ 2040 hours / 30 days
= ~ 85 hours / day

WOW! Superhuman!


Dogfather
Premium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA

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Am I reading this right? Unlimited use for extra $25?

So for $25 in penalties you get unlimited use?

That's the way I read it, that the per GB penalty caps out at $25. Or do they cut your service off at $25 in overage?


anonomous

@comcast.net

reply to jessegr
Re: Canadian internet is going to shit.

If it's any consolation, you internet in Canada is A LOT
faster than most people get here in the states . Besides that, yeah it really sucks with all those caps. Why are there all those caps in Canada?


anonomous

@comcast.net
My mistake... YOUR internet, not you internet


Froggy

@teksavvy.com

Ultra lite has no limit on overuse fees

They advertise ultra lite on television for this very reason. To suck you into thousands of dollars of overuse charges every month. Dsl reports get your facts straight before you post. This June 1st 2008 sympatico will have no limit on overuse fees for new customers. If it wasn't for their speed throttling nearly 24/7 new users could see charges in the thousands every month.


telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth

join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
reply to anonomous
Re: Canadian internet is going to shit.

Why isn't my water bill flat fee?


jessegr

join:2005-03-05
Gatineau, QC
reply to anonomous
Not really. Fios and Cablevision and cox are way ahead of us. Comcast is about even tho.


Froggy

@teksavvy.com


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reply to gatorkram
Re: Up? Down? Up and Down?

Basically rogers cable is so bad most every port is blocked everything is throttled the price goes up about every month the email rarely works there are no newsgroups. Almost forgot they block content and only let you surf what they allow you to surf. Basically it's like dial-up but web pages come up faster. Soon it'll be about a thousand dollars a month because the rates go up every month or so.


Karl Bode
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reply to Froggy
Re: Ultra lite has no limit on overuse fees

Dsl reports get your facts straight before you post.
Ultra lite has no limit on overuse fees
Not according to the Rogers website:
Will I be charged if I go beyond my monthly usage allowance?

Yes. If you exceed your monthly usage allowance, you will be charged as follows:

Ultra Lite – $5.00/GB to a maximum of $25.00
Lite – $2.50/GB to a maximum of $25.00
Express – $2.00/GB to a maximum of $25.00
Extreme – $1.50/GB to a maximum of $25.00
Extreme Plus – $1.25/GB to a maximum of $25.00

Please note: the grandfathered Ultra Lite over-allowance fee is $5.00/GB with no maximum, and the grandfathered Lite over-allowance fee is $3.00/GB with no maximum.


en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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·DSL EXTREME


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reply to bthornhill
Re: marketing doublespeak

Exactly... You don't see any reference to any sort of bandwidth heavy app on here. Forget HD, even streaming basic apps would blow this out of the water.
I Fedora Core 6 ISO = 3.4 GB

What I don't get, it why do I need caps on the lower end rates ? Ultra lite requiring a 2GB cap ?
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck

join:2001-10-21
London, ON
reply to telcolackey
Re: Canadian internet is going to shit.

It is in rural Ontario (in some places anyway).


Smith6612
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Caps suck

It's a good thing Verizon isn't capping their DSL service, as I consume around 100GB at the most a month if I am lucky. I do everything from downloading games from Steam, hosting games here (and large ones as well), downloading HD movies I've bought, along with a lot of 1080p HD video files I upload, YouTube, game demos, ESPN360, etc. If I were to get charged by the byte by a company like Rogers, I'd pretty much end up with a bill probably over $100 a month. The only thing I'd do is switch to a different provider if I was a Canadian.

As for those images, I never knew e-mails, web pages and games all used a fixed amount of bandwidth. For games, I know of some games that are total bandwidth hogs, and some of us like to host servers


Luker3

join:2004-10-09
Blacksburg, VA
reply to zinc
Re: 85 hour days?

1,500,000 pages

Lets say you look at a page every second
30 days * 24 hours * 60 minutes * 60 seconds = 2,592,000 seconds in a month.

So, over half of the month you are doing nothing, but opening web pages every second.


LaZ3R
Premium
join:2003-01-17
·Rogers Hi-Speed

 And Guess What?!

I'M WITH THEM FOR SOME GOD KNOWN REASON!@$

The throttling is complete bullshit and I hate it with passion. I really wish this site was popular enough to make a news story on TV about it so Rogers would get a little scared but nope, that'll never happen. Only thing we can do is accept it since 1-100 people here might now like it including myself, but the millions of other subscribers have no freaking clue how to use a computer and thus see no problems.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast

 Change of heart on user caps

»Rogers Shows American Cable Users The Future
U.S. users should keep an eye on, because the pricing and presentation is something many U.S. cable operators would very much like to bring to the States.
Karl,
I thought your stance on this was that it would never happen in the U.S. In fact, I have been told in many posts that my thoughts that this was coming to the U.S. were flat out wrong.

Has their been a change in heart? Is this now very possible as I have said all along?
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck

join:2001-10-21
London, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·Bell Sympatico


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reply to bthornhill
Re: marketing doublespeak

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And how many movies is that oh mighty Rogers god of mathematics???

What's this? We're allowed to use 'Bittorrents'? But howwww? You throttle the bujeezus out of them?....

Who does their marketing, clearly they think we're idiots, or I guess just ignorant.
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