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2 edits | Re: Hmmmm said by Vathral:This might be intereting Yes, the IOC hasn't said what it would do if China doesn't comply. Call them names?? Give China bad PR?? It doesn't look like there is any teeth in their threats.
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Kevan Gosper, vice chairman of the IOC coordinating commission, said restricting access to the Internet during the games "would reflect very poorly" on the host nation. The brute!! I am sure China is quaking in their boots.
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| | | | Re: Hmmmm IOC could refuse to sanction the games and have lots of money pulled out I am sure. One of the big ways Olympics make money is through sponsorship. I am sure the IOC holds the rights to decide who comes and go. I highly doubt they would take it that far, but who knows. I am sure it's one of their options and this could cost China TONS of money if it were to happen. | |
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| | | | | Re: Hmmmm said by jc100:IOC could refuse to sanction the games and have lots of money pulled out I am sure. One of the big ways Olympics make money is through sponsorship. I am sure the IOC holds the rights to decide who comes and go. I highly doubt they would take it that far, but who knows. I am sure it's one of their options and this could cost China TONS of money if it were to happen. Doesn't appear that China is overly concerned:
When asked about Gosper's comments, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said China's "management" of the Internet followed the "general practice of the international community."
She acknowledged that China bans some Internet content, and said other countries did the same. She declined to say if the Internet would be unrestricted for journalists during the Olympics.
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Media will have access to uncensored Internet and there will be no delay of the television signal at the Beijing Olympic Games, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) said on Thursday.
China routinely censors the Internet and delays or censors television signals but the IOC's chief inspector said Beijing organizers had assured his team that the 30,000 media expected to cover the August 8-24 Games would not be effected.
He also said television cameras would be allowed to film on Beijing's central Tiananmen Square.
Of course, none of this means China will give their own citizens uncensored access.
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kudos:1 | said by jc100:IOC could refuse to sanction the games and have lots of money pulled out I am sure. One of the big ways Olympics make money is through sponsorship. I am sure the IOC holds the rights to decide who comes and go. I highly doubt they would take it that far, but who knows. I am sure it's one of their options and this could cost China TONS of money if it were to happen. Either that, or China would seriously jeopardize any bid for future olympics as well. | |
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kudos:11 | They could always withdraw IOC sanction from the event and not issue the medals or allow any records set to be officially counted.
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kudos:1 | hmm very interesting.  Wonder if this is gonna fly. | |
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| And if they don't? And if China does not provide unfettered web access, what is the IOC going to do? Shut down the Olympics and take they somewhere else? I think not. China is holding all the cards now and they are free to do what they want regardless of any agreements.
This should get interesting indeed!
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kudos:1 | Re: And if they don't? Im not sure the committee could even pull the Olympics from china, with all the commercial interests involved (sponsers buildings travel plans etc...) It cant just be as easy as saying ok no more olympics for you. | |
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| |  BoogeymanDrive it like you stole itPremium
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Panama City, FL | Re: And if they don't? Well, if the IOC says China is not following the "rules", then I wonder how many "free" countries might boycott the games. Some sponsors might as well if they deem the publicity from such a move could help them more than sponsoring the olympics. | |
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London, ON | Re: And if they don't? It may even be *good* publicity and worth more for a company to condemn so the company can be held publics good books. That is if they don't have factories in China  .... | |
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| | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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.... SO, none, then. No boycotts. It's all about the money, principles be damned.
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| | Key word is Journalists The key word is to journalists, not the general population.
They'll just set up some sort of proxy server for journalists to go through to get past the firewall. | |
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Arnold, MD | Re: Key word is Journalists Lenovo proxy server, of course. | |
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Bradenton, FL | Just a PR stunt China has been blocking access for the longest time and now all of a sudden the IOC has a problem with it? Why wasn't the IOC concerned about it when China first got approved to host the Olympics? It's just a PR stunt by the IOC to have people believe they are concerned about it when in fact there statement means nothing.
What China does means nothing. The players are still going to compete in the Olympics. People are still going to watch the Olympics. In the end China got what they wanted. | |
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| | | Re: Just a PR stunt I am not going to watch the Olympics. I am boycotting a nation that has killed and oppressed more people than Nazi Germany. | |
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| | Trust China? I and everyone I know will not watch the drug ridden "Olympics",its meaningless with all the cheating, trust China? You can bet TV and internet will "temporarily" be down when they are running over the freedom fighters with tanks. | |
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| | | Re: Why are the olympics in china??? Well, the $350 billion they own in US securities have to count for something, right?
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join:2001-10-19 | Say What!? The International Olympic Committee has warned China that the country must lift their Internet censorship system while the Olympics are in town, reports the Associated Press. Oh, yeah! It's April 1. You almost had me believing the IOC was so dumb and arrogant that it would actually say that. What are they gonna do if China doesn't publicly respond, the Olympic games commence, and nothing has changed? Say, "Stop. Everyone must go home. See you in four years."?
LOL!
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| | WTF How do the Chinese people put up with such a repressive, conservative, and illogical government? What kind of people would want to live in a country where the government tells you what you can and cannot do? (and what you can and cannot see on the internet)
How in the hell did China even get the Olympic bid???
I live in Chicago and our city is bending over backwards just for the consideration of the Olympics in 2016.
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| | | Re: WTF said by DJ_Kismuth:How do the Chinese people put up with such a repressive, conservative, and illogical government? Fear, nationalism, and brainwashed. Pick two.
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What kind of people would want to live in a country where the government tells you what you can and cannot do? (and what you can and cannot see on the internet)
People such as the so-called liberals in the US who have been pushing for nanny-state here. 'But Big Brother only wants whats best for us! In time you all will love Big Brother too!'
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How in the hell did China even get the Olympic bid???
How did Nazi Germany in 1936? How did the Soviet Union in 1980? IOC is corrupt or naive. Perhaps both.
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I live in Chicago and our city is bending over backwards just for the consideration of the Olympics in 2016.
Maybe Chi-town needs to commit a few atrocities and they can shoot to the top of list. | |
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2 edits | Re: WTF Taken literally, it's not that the organizations are corrupt, it's that they aren't controlled by the government. The organizations can and likely will remain corrupt even under government control.
My suggestion to those that think affording the government greater powers will solve all of your problems: be careful what you wish for. Imagine the effects on life the powers you are willing to give to the government being in the control of your political and ideological rivals. Case in point: the FCC. Do you really want the government to have that kind of control if there's even the remotest chance that a government similar to, or worse than, the Bush Administration takes control for one to two terms or more? The enabling of greater governmental control isn't simply going to be rescinded just because it's not your guys in control.
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NYC Metro | said by Lord_Black:said by DJ_Kismuth:How do the Chinese people put up with such a repressive, conservative, and illogical government? Fear, nationalism, and brainwashed. Pick two. quote:
What kind of people would want to live in a country where the government tells you what you can and cannot do? (and what you can and cannot see on the internet)
People such as the so-called liberals in the US who have been pushing for nanny-state here. 'But Big Brother only wants whats best for us! In time you all will love Big Brother too!' quote:
How in the hell did China even get the Olympic bid???
How did Nazi Germany in 1936? How did the Soviet Union in 1980? IOC is corrupt or naive. Perhaps both. quote:
I live in Chicago and our city is bending over backwards just for the consideration of the Olympics in 2016.
Maybe Chi-town needs to commit a few atrocities and they can shoot to the top of list. Not much was known about NAZI Germany in 1936 besides it being a successful country that would be a good spot for the Olympic games.. Much of the world "found out" about NAZI Germany during / after WWII... The NAZIs did a good job at keeping the majority of their atrocities under cover. Of course, the racism was known, but the U.S. also treated blacks similarly.. Plus, I don't know when they picked Berlin for 1936, but it was probably several years before... Long before Hitler came to rise. Look at how long they picked China and England..
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Canada | said by DJ_Kismuth:How do the Chinese people put up with such a repressive, conservative, and illogical government? umm are you serious? Read what you just posted "repressive, conservative, illogical". revolution tends to go very badly in a dictatorship especially when the government has tanks and guns and you have......household utensils.
But lets even ignore the dictatorship part, what's 2+ billion chinese citizens going to do? pack up and move en mass?
Seriously it's not like they can just vote in a new government, and I doubt the average person has the money to just pack up and go or anywhere to go to. | |
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| | | | Re: WTF What are you smoking? China only has one billion citizens.
It would also be a piece of cake if everyone in that country quit being a pansy and banded together to overthrow that communist government. Hmm, one billion vs. a few... I wonder who's going to win that one... | |
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1 edit | Re: WTF The Chinese people have a work ethic that is unrivaled by any other people, including (and arguably, especially) Americans, such that they put up with far greater amounts of idiocy and corruption than most people would. Throw cultural nationalism into the equation and it's not all that surprising why China is the way it is. It's a natural extension of how China has always been, and the Communists in control are just the latest in a long line of despots.
For them, collectivism works. For us, not so much.
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| said by DJ_Kismuth:How do the Chinese people put up with such a repressive, conservative, and illogical government? What kind of people would want to live in a country where the government tells you what you can and cannot do? (and what you can and cannot see on the internet) Crack a book and read about Chinese history.
Every nation's current political system is a consequence of it's history. Condensed version: Begin with a China that was a resource rich country stuck in a feudal-like political-economic system, add in a dose of foreign imperialist domination (Brits, Americans, etc.) that corrupted whatever incompetent Government China did have, add in a dash of defeat at the hands of a much smaller country (Japan) in WWII and voila! | |
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kudos:21 | Imagine... ...all of the things that can possibly go on if China does follow this complaint and shuts off their firewall. That place would be a mess with stuff after the games end. | |
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| | | | | Re: LOL! Sure seems easy for China to run some special lines into the official journalist area and offer them unfiltered Internet.
A bigger issue will be if journalists will be able to roam freely around china and report on some other issues going on or if the government will be all over them. | |
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Cedar Hill, TX | Re: LOL! China doesn't follow people around like the Soviet Union did, or North Korea does now. They wouldn't bother on a regular journalist. | |
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Saint-Jean-Sur-Richelieu, QC | Idiocraty It's a matter of some years since there's a war between USA mafia & China triad and we're speaking about Olympics and firewalls, lol.... The world is full of shit, and all that is on purpose, let's face it. | |
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 As soon as the firewall is lifted the chairman can download a copy of Hello Dalai from a nearby BitTorrent site for their viewing pleasure. | |
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| | So what! What if China doesn't comply? What will they (the IOC) do? Spank them?
It's already set in stone... The Olympics are going to happen regardless.... I in my infinite wisdom just cannot seem to explain why China was chosen as host anyway. Who made THAT dscision?
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