DrModem
Premium
join:2006-10-19
USA | Wow
Teksavvy and the rest better start trying to build their own network and fast if they are to survive methinks... |
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Raptor
Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·Bell Sympatico
| Competition?
"Bell is competing with a number of major cable companies, not to mention Voice over Internet Protocol providers and cellphone carriers."
A number of cable companies??? I suppose technically 1 is a number....Just because they're branded under different names, doesn't mean they're not essentially all Rogers.
It's Bell or Rogers....Rogers or Bell. And maybe Telus here and there. Two companies does not equal competition, and that's IF you can get service from the other in an certain area.
It's a duopoly, they don't compete by undercutting and competition. Instead, one raises prices or initiates a new directive (throttling, caps, etc) and the other FOLLOWS suit. Sweet, consumer choice! They both keep customers because there is no where else for the customer to go that's any different.
Bell is afraid, plain and simple. This gov't lobbying just goes to show it. My what a sh*tstorm this has brewed up.
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anonnotreall
@qc.ca
thumbs down from:
Cabal 
| reply to DrModem
Re: Wow
They would have to charge you more per month than Bell if that was the solution  |
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Doug135
join:2008-01-12
Laredo, TX
clubs:
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to Raptor
Re: Competition?
said by Raptor :It's Bell or Rogers....Rogers or Bell. And maybe Telus here and there. Two companies does not equal competition, and that's IF you can get service from the other in an certain area. That true two companies don't equal competition, especially when they're in a sense the same thing, just under different names. To them it may seem that two companies is to many. I think there's a saying, "ones company, twos a crowd" or something like that. I bet Bell is just afraid they are losing business to the indie ISPs because they don't cap or throttle and they're losing out on the extra fees and whatnot. |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
| I told you guys before.....
There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.
While I don't necessarily agree with Bell Canada's position of there being 'plenty of competition', but do understand their desire to rid themselves of government regulation. |
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Froggy
@teksavvy.com | Bell Canada Seeks Death Blow For Indie ISPs
The rich will have dedicated lines from FCI and the poor will go back to dial-up if this happens... dial-up from America. |
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Mike
Premium,Mod
join:2000-09-17
Pittsburgh, PA
clubs:   | reply to JasonD
Re: I told you guys before.....
When TekSavvy bought bandwidth, I'm pretty sure they bought all of it. That would suck if you bought 100% of a product and could use only 40%. |
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Bellsucks
@aliant.net | reply to JasonD
As far as I know Teksavvy doesn't buy bandwidth from Bell. They buy bandwidth from another source such as Peer 1 and use Bell's backbone to transport the bandwidth. |
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adisor19
join:2004-10-11
·Velcom
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Radioactif
·Videotron
·Look Communications
| Congratulations to all of you who voted conservative
What a great choice the majority has made! Yes, it is a democracy but unfortunately, it comes with its bad side as well when idiots win the vote. We now have a government that likes to NOT intervene in the economy/market and this only screws the consumer. Way to go Canada ! I said it before, and i'll say it again : a little socialism NEVER hurt anyone !
I sure as hell am gonna vote for the NDP at the nest elections as they seem to be the ONLY party giving a damn about this whole situation.
Adi |
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tranceduden
join:2007-05-16
Mississauga, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to JasonD
Re: I told you guys before.....
said by JasonD :
There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.
ABUSE ? You're kidding right ? TSI paid all their fees to bell and pay per user fee on top of that for certain amount on B/W. Now Bell is saying sure you can have the b/w but only @ 10% of the speed you have purchased. |
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| Ask not for whom the bell tolls ...
This is called "We don't want regulation on what we can charge indies for the last mile service and the backhaul service."
It will, for many, be a death knell ... but for some it will be an opportunity to negotiate non-throttled backhauls etc. Probably rates will go up for the indies to comparable to sympatico though. Which is probably what Bell is hoping.
More attempts at the use of dominant position! |
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URTrolling
@telus.net
| reply to JasonD
Re: I told you guys before.....
said by JasonD :
There was no way that Teksavvy was going to last offering excess bandwidth for a mere 10 cents a gig. That amounts to at least enabling abuse of what ultimately is Bell Canada's network.
While I don't necessarily agree with Bell Canada's position of there being 'plenty of competition', but do understand their desire to rid themselves of government regulation.
Please advise what part of paying pre-defined service price for a pre-defined service constitutes abuse. I shall be fascinated to hear you answer. |
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nebular
join:2007-07-12
Peterborough, ON
| reply to JasonD
The problem here is that Bell was required to offer the service by law and was guaranteed a decent profit. If Bell couldn't handle the network load then they should have either upgraded their infrastructure or revealed to the CRTC that they can't handle the possibility of unregulated traffic on their grid |
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hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA | Independent?
I think Carl was mistaken when he called the other ISP's 'Independent"
Independent: Not governed by a foreign power; self-governing. Free from the influence, guidance, or control of another or others; self-reliant: |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to anonnotreall
Re: Wow
Kinda the point |
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
1 edit | WAR - NING !!!
Like I've been saying all along ... Rogers and Bell have declared WAR on all users in Canada with support from USA ISP's and governments. What those idiots have planned would make your nutz turn to raisins.
If users in Canada do not band together and fight back in every way possible we are going to loose our Internet as we know it. Especially education, privacy, freedom of speech, sharing of any files via any way, blogs, websites, chats, IRC, VOIP and anything they deem against them ... Much worse than China.
To this point the Internet has been a real pain in the ass to them and we have been able to disclose their bad practices ... and that's about to end if we don't fight back FULLY!
This comes straight from Illuminati and Committee of 300 insiders. "Wake up ... fight back ... or loose it." |
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smallworlds
@verizon.net
| reap the choices made
canada has it's share of problems.. but i've been a casual observer of this trend for years... canada's largest business are running roughshod over the consumer left and right.. (in telecom it results in caps, throttling, predatory pricing, less value for the consumer, pitiful innovation) through liberal and conservative administrations and it only gets worse. sooner or later the public will get fed up with the nonsense and begin monopoly reform to allow new upstart competitors in its major cities (the ones that exist today are bottom feeding grubs teetering on the edge of extinction).. forget rural areas.. as no one will touch them with thousands of feet of softwood lumber. if you can't make competition a success in major cities, rural areas are way off the radar.
there were at least two attempts to break and reform the obscene monopolies of the 1980's into something more palatable. canada is way behind in any reasonable reform and they'll suffer for it for years to come. |
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Gardener
Premium
join:2006-10-19
Burnaby, BC
·TELUS
| Free the Last Mile
What we need is an independent last-mile service. Separate the delivery from the content. A consumer would rent (or purchase) the last-mile service to their premises, and then have the providers of their choice feed phone, tv, whatever down the line. We would not be held hostage by wire-owners.
Remember that government plan to provide high-speed conncections to every home in Canada? Of course it didn't happen, but the idea is not without merit. |
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JasonD
@comcast.net
| reply to URTrolling
Re: I told you guys before.....
Here's my response: allowing unfettered (until now) 1TB transfer = a mere $100 in bandwidth charges.
Teksavvy may pay Bell Canada an access fee, but they shouldn't be allowed to flood Bell Canada's network thanks in part to underpriced bandwidth. |
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root9
join:2005-04-08
Kitchener, ON
2 edits | reply to Gardener
Re: Free the Last Mile
Not a bad idea Gardener
Few things:
1- last mile is already owned by Bell and Rogers which they won't give up in any way.
2- if this would fly prices would be astronomical from wire-owners
3- new wire, setup and admin costs major. Once it's in and running properly it's close to free
The only way to circumvent this is to start high speed WIFI similar to cell tower service. Secure the crap out of it to make sure Rogers or Bell can't use it or brake it.
Also develop multi band high speed WIFI connections direct from backbone fiber for this use.
Even today users can build they own local WIFI. They can also link up to other WIFI bases and create their own network. Kind of like poor man's Internet. This can be built up to some pretty good high speeds and VPN. |
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