Artec
join:2003-02-23
Middletown, NJ | I know a lot of Verizon techs in NJ
And they have said the same thing about this. It's all about FIOS and not about the copper inside and outside plant. |
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bgraham
join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | let's face it,
Why would VZ spend any more than necessary on technology that is a century old and probably will be gone in 10 years, at least in cities and towns.
Copper can now only provide a minimal piece of their services, POTS and DSL. Not TV or broadband that must be a large part of the billing dollars in a few years with the demise of the telephone to cell and VOIP.
Oh I forgot you need it for fax lines.
edit: also, I am not a telecom person (although I have the poles and the big box in my backyard)  , but surely after FIOS is run through a neighborhood it must cost a similar amount to connect a FTTP compared to having a couple of guys working for a day trying to fix some obscure copper problem. It is not unusual to have 2 or 3 repair crews working all day in my back yard. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
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PC gaming GAMES
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4 edits | quote:
Why would VZ spend any more than necessary on technology that is a century old and probably will be gone in 10 years, at least in cities and towns.
Well, the point is the unions, consumers and some PUC are claiming Verizon is spending less than is necessary for services customers are still paying for.
I'd also be willing to bet that in ten years, 35% of Verizon's infrastructure (or more) is still copper...Unless they "Fairpoint" those rural areas, which is likely. It's something nobody's talking about yet because we're bandwidth dazzled, but I'd bet FiOS deployment stops cold at 50-60% of the network, and the rest of their largely rural and third-tier city network is ultimately considered unprofitable and disposable. |
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hescominsoon
join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
 ·Comcast
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| I figured this would happen
Checkout my review of verizon:
»/comment/38613
IF they get fios here then i'll compare comast and VZ. Right now comcast is less expensive for more speed..i am getting ready to cancel my landlie service as well and go only cellular(which here is sprint).
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bobgwen
join:2001-07-07
Bartow, FL
·Comcast
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: let's face it,
exactly. the customer is paying verizon their bill each month. verizon should be keeping the copper up. There are a lot of folks in Verizon territory (myself included) who won't see fios or any other fiber to the whatever for several years more. It doesn't take that much to replace a section of copper cable. It's getting those 2nd or 3rd lines to let go of that money to keep the plant up. Get rid of those bad sections and temporary (hah) wraps. |
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cornelius785
join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA
| reply to bgraham
it may be (should?) possible to do fax without copper. i think some company has adapters to go from fiber (VoIP??) to regular telephone copper wire pairs so people can use their old phones. a google search also suggests that there are fax machines with ethernet adapters. |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | reply to hescominsoon
Strike
Sounds like its not about the copper more like job security. |
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dsless
join:2001-05-16
Pittsburgh, PA
| I am in a new development
And 2 houses up from me has FIOS and Verizon has not came back and installed FIOS in our development. I really don't know why. There are 70~ houses they would subscribe to it. My phone has static and people can't here me now.  Time to call comcast for voice. My DSL works ok but speed varies. |
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expert007
join:2006-01-10
Buffalo, NY | Verizon Customer Service is Stellar......Urp
Verizon insists blah blah blah....
I've had a few experiences with VZ that lead me to believe otherwise...situations that went beyond sublime. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: let's face it,
said by Karl Bode  : I'd also be willing to bet that in ten years, 35% of Verizon's infrastructure (or more) is still copper...Unless they "Fairpoint" those rural areas, which is likely. It's something nobody's talking about yet because we're bandwidth dazzled, but I'd bet FiOS deployment stops cold at 50-60% of the network, and the rest of their largely rural and third-tier city network is ultimately considered unprofitable and disposable. That would fit with what VZ has told the regional franchise body in this area. Over the next ten years, FIOS and FIOS TV will be rolled out to the most affluent communities in the region. Then that's it - there are no plans to do anything else. |
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IMHO
@rr.com
| Verizon's run by DIPSHITS
I live in an area where the copper is at least fifty years old. The last time I had a crossed pair I had to wait three months for one to become available(Someone had to cancel their phone service to make the pair available). Verizon could be making big money selling broadband.....But they don't offer any! The cable company is raking in BIG $ selling broadband alone. |
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Telecom Vet
@rr.com
| reply to cornelius785
Re: let's face it,
said by cornelius785 :it may be (should?) possible to do fax without copper. i think some company has adapters to go from fiber (VoIP??) to regular telephone copper wire pairs so people can use their old phones. a google search also suggests that there are fax machines with ethernet adapters. Its incredibly naive to suggest that "adapters" will provide the same exact interface and functionality as the incumbent copper lines - and it is certainly no excuse for shafting millions of customers.
I'm all for a nationwide upgrade to FIOS-like facilities. But FIOS hasn't exactly been standardized or proven yet, nor have non-VZ telcos adopted it, and we've yet to see exactly how it will be priced. And for such a critical national infrastructure as the switched network, you don't just abandon the customers overnight, by fiat or neglect. |
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irishfiber
@motorola.com | reply to brooklynman4
Re: Strike
It could also be that the FiOS techs are making a bunch of overtime and the copper techs are not. |
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TScheisskopf
World News Trust
join:2005-02-13
Belvidere, NJ
 ·Sprint Broadband D..
| reply to brooklynman4
Based upon what? You might want to come out to the "Broccoli" once in a while and look around. There's a lot of people out here who don't have FIOS and will never see it, until the economic demographic of the area matches some VZ business model. If then.
A lot of people are gonna be on copper for a long time and that's that. If they are paying for the service, the service should be maintained and have the necessary maintenance resources.
Sounds like VZ is robbing from Peter to pay Paul. |
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N10Cities
SILENCE I Keel You
Premium
join:2002-05-07
Roland, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
·World Lynx
3 edits | reply to PDXPLT
Re: let's face it,
said by PDXPLT :said by Karl Bode : I'd also be willing to bet that in ten years, 35% of Verizon's infrastructure (or more) is still copper...Unless they "Fairpoint" those rural areas, which is likely. It's something nobody's talking about yet because we're bandwidth dazzled, but I'd bet FiOS deployment stops cold at 50-60% of the network, and the rest of their largely rural and third-tier city network is ultimately considered unprofitable and disposable. That would fit with what VZ has told the regional franchise body in this area. Over the next ten years, FIOS and FIOS TV will be rolled out to the most affluent communities in the region. Then that's it - there are no plans to do anything else. If Verizon is not going to maintain their copper and are not voluntarily going to deploy FIOS network wide, then perhaps an update of the USF law would be in order.....REQUIRE them to roll it out and pay them from the fund....
But in this current political environment...pfffttt..... |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| I think that's exactly what Verizon wants- deploy FiOS to areas where they can make big $$$ on their own, make it prevalent enough that people in the rural areas want it, and then get the gov't to pay Verizon to deploy it, so they can make the money there too. |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | Not any worse the cable companies..
Try waiting for a sub contractor to come out and bury a cable line, or get a cable company to fix the main line on pole so you don't have to have a 300 foot temp line to another pole.
2 months and waiting.. |
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EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| reply to cornelius785
Re: let's face it,
FiOS telephone isn't VoIP- it uses the same principles that allow POTS to go over fiber-optic trunk lines, only closer to the home- I've heard of people doing things such as dial-up internet and it working fine, we have a fax machine and haven't had any problems. |
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Schiff
@verizon.net
| Static that wont go away
In the last year our phone line has gotten static on it every time it rains. The static usually lasts about a week. Verizon wont fix it. They come out 2 weeks later after everything dries up and tells us nothing is wrong.
We were quite literally told by a customer service rep that "the problem is going to continue unless you switch to fios. A repair will take at least a week but we can have fios installed in 2 days." Forget Fios, were gonna switch to the cable companies phone service if this keeps up. |
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Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| reply to markopoleo
Re: Not any worse the cable companies..
said by markopoleo :Try waiting for a sub contractor to come out and bury a cable line, or get a cable company to fix the main line on pole so you don't have to have a 300 foot temp line to another pole. 2 months and waiting.. Cable is definitely not squeaky clean. I know TimeWarner and most other cable companies participate in the same practice that they accused Verizon of participating in. Cable companies will just outright refuse to serve new developments that sit a couple hundred feet from their main poles, and on top of that, they will make the customers pay hundreds (sometimes thousands) of dollars to run the lines to the houses. TimeWarner told my Aunt that her household, and the 4 other houses on the block would have to sign contracts committing to service for 5 years or else they would have to pay for the install. -- This was in a near-rural town in upstate New York. |
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