moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Any you pay extra for what?
HD is extra and they now want to degrade the signal.
Do you get a discount since the signal is not true HD now?  |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | Which is why "all digital" doesn't mean crap
They just overcompress the crap out of it or use HD-Lite and the quality is worse that ever. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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1 edit |  MPEG4 will solve this
As the cable companies upgrade their STBs, the move to MPEG4 compression will resolve these quality problems.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4
MPEG4 is coming:
»When Will Cable Embrace MPEG-4? |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | "Coming"? Right now the only thing "coming" is the MSO accountants.
Until MPEG4 is implemented, the MSOs should shut their HD marketing yaps and quit selling a product they do not have.
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
·Comcast
·Patriot Media
| reply to TKJunkMail
So is CC2, tru2way etc. The cablecos will never invest in mpeg4, unless they have too. Who do they think there fooling selling HD in SD resolution. They could implement SDV but just like tru2way we will never see it. I think Dish/Direc should capitalize on this. |
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GlenQuagmire
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Grand Rapids, MI | reply to TKJunkMail
That and they could start moving the analog channels to digital. I would much rather have High Quality HD channels that analog channels any day. |
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RadioDoc
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| reply to DaveNJ
said by DaveNJ  :I think Dish/Direc should capitalize on this. They are. Both are implementing MPEG4 and expanding transponder space. Why do you think Comcast (for example) is using so much marketing sleight-of-hand trying to sound like they have more HD channels when in reality they are behind and getting behinder.
DirecTV was spanked by their customers for pulling this same crap a couple of years ago. You'd think that the cablecos would know better. Of course, these are the same cablecos whose installers have been known to "install" HD boxes using S-video and call it a day.
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TKJunkMail
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| reply to DaveNJ
said by DaveNJ :Who do they think there fooling selling HD in SD resolution. SD is packing 8 to 10 channels in 6Mhz. HD has 2 or 3 channels in 6Mhz. So, NO they are not selling HD with SD resolution.
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
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1 edit | American Phenomenon
Last time I checked Canada is in America, unless they somehow detached and floated north to become part of the Arctic. Not cold enough, eh? 
This is more of a monopolistic phenomenon combined with uneducated or uncaring consumers, none of which is restricted or unique to the US (or Canada). |
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TKJunkMail
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| reply to GlenQuagmire
Re: MPEG4 will solve this
said by GlenQuagmire :That and they could start moving the analog channels to digital. That process is well along the way in most areas. |
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sbrook
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| reply to verolom
Re: American Phenomenon
Thanks to the Arrogant Worms ...
"I am not American,
though I live in North America
Which is part of the Americas,
which should make me an American
Geographically Canadians
are certainly Americans
As are Venezualians,
but not Hawaiians
(They're out in the middle of the ocian,
Just like the US Virgin Isliands
Who really shouldn't say they are Americans
or even Virgiians!)
How could two whole continents,
Lose their name to one Constituent
Where were we when the U.S. went,
And took the word American away?
But to be fair to them,
Their other name options,
Like U.S.A.ers or United Statesians,
Were pretty bad
Still I want to be as American,
As the French are European,
Or those in Antarctica are Antarctican
Even if their just penguins
That leaves us Canadians as Northern North American,
But Alaska’s Norther curse them
We're surrounded by Americans
Americans, Americans!
I just called those U.S.A.ers Americans
A name meant for two continents not just them
For if I said I was American,
People would probably think I came from Maine
Still I think I have a plan,
Let's become Antarctican,
And join up with the penguins
For just like them, we're not American!
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DirecTV
@rr.com | Directv
If my cable company starts degrading the HD channels just so they can add more, I'll just move BACK to DirecTV.
And also, what is the difference between a compressed HD channel and a standard digital signal? I can't imagine it's much of one. |
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RadioDoc
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Re: MPEG4 will solve this
Semantics. I can set my 1920x1080 set to display 480i SD at full screen, using every pixel, but in no possible way is it HD. Compressing the snot out of a video stream and calling it HD because it is still 720p is not much different.
Unfortunately, the definition of HD is very slippery and the marketing weasels have taken full advantage of that to sell decidedly inferior product.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Exactly... just because the display resolution = 1920x1080, it shouldn't be called HD, unless
a) The source is HD (i.e. was generated at 1920x1080)
b) The quality of the picture hasn't been degraded to appear as if it was SD.
Sure, I can take a 480i image on my PC and put it to full screen (1600x1200), but the image isn't going to look all that great.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | reply to RadioDoc
Is it really that big of a deal with some channels that are stretching the hell out of SD content and calling it HD? I guess I don't see the problem with cablecos doing this if it's done smartly. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to en102
said by en102 :a) The source is HD (i.e. was generated at 1920x1080) Tell the content providers that. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | They _could_ push HD lite (don't they all?) at 720p. I have yet to see any provider pushing 1080p
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RadioDoc
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| reply to openbox9
My wife calls it "fat-o-vision". Yes it is a very big deal, and is very much not high definition.
One form of "HD Lite" is the practice of squeezing a 16:9, 1920x1080 picture into a 1280x1080 box, transmitting it at the lower bitrate, and then expanding it at the receiver having lost at least 33% of the horizontal picture information in the process. My HDTV actually has a function for that built-in to record one tuner to a standard def 4:3 recorder while preserving the aspect ratio. Of course the result is not HD, but it isn't supposed to be and we don't use that function.
There is no "smart" way to do it and call it HD. Sorry.
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jsmaster
join:2008-03-16
Montreal, QC
·Videotron
·Cogeco Cable
| having a solution to that
Just buy a HD cam like the new sony, record the screen of your tv while watching your movie, then playback your record on your HDTV so it's sure you'll have a full HD image.
Hahaha lol it's very funny. My example is very clear. It's like they said they offer full HD channels but recorded on a simply VHS. |
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blueeyesm
join:2003-09-05
Waterloo, ON | reply to verolom
Re: American Phenomenon
We are a part of the Continent called NORTH America. |
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