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1 edit |  "The Grid" a long way away from general internet use
»CERN Launches Superfast Internet to Track Big BangThe idea is that it will ultimately be what replaces the current Internet for the mainstream public across the world. The Grid »www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u···9881.ece
That network, in effect a parallel internet, is now built, using fibre optic cables that run from Cern to 11 centres in the United States, Canada, the Far East, Europe and around the world.
From each centre, further connections radiate out to a host of other research institutions using existing high-speed academic networks. Think of it like the road system in Germany. Super high speed autobahns tie together cities. But when you get to those cities, speeds drop off precipitously. The cities will NEVER have speeds like the autobahns. And home users will NEVER have the speeds that tie these research centers together - at least not in my or even current teens lifetimes.
Will home users speeds rise? Of course. But it won't approach the speeds tying together these research centers.
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| "Although the grid itself is unlikely to be directly available to domestic internet users, many telecoms providers and businesses are already introducing its pioneering technologies."
Radical new directions...didnt I see this in a Terminator movie?
The consumer ultimately rationed a miniscule amount of access but could benefit from the technologies. We will however, be paying through the nose, and it will be sold as a telecom breakthrough! |
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| "The consumer ultimately rationed a miniscule amount of access but could benefit from the technologies. We will however, be paying through the nose, and it will be sold as a telecom breakthrough!"
And why does that bother you? The cost of developing this network was rationalized by it's first intended use: research and the researchers at the universities and research offices where they do their work, not web surfers and P2P users sitting at home. Even the most noble consumer end-user uses don't justify free access.
Access to a very high-speed network is not a right, it's a value-added service you must pay for. Someone will have to build the infrastructure to bring GRID (or whatever it will be called when it gets to the rest of us) to commercial and eventually residential users, but those users will have to pay a fee to justify the investments made. And if the government did it, those fees would be called taxes. |
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mod_wastrel
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It'll become "Self-Aware" shortly after deployment |
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| Hopefully they do not discover a black hole
As big and as old as the universe is you would think we'd find communications for someone by now.
Maybe they looked for this particle as well.
Assuming the entrophy theory is correct you could create a mini black hole and it would fizzle out. However, if it's incorrect, we'll lets just hope it's fast.
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| The End
"The experiment has provoked opposition. Two scientists from Hawaii have lodged a challenge at a Honolulu court, claiming the accelerator could create a black hole that could destroy the Earth"
But they're pretty sure that won't happen. 
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Re: Hopefully they do not discover a black hole
said by NOCMan  :As big and as old as the universe is you would think we'd find communications for someone by now. Maybe they looked for this particle as well. Funny, I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing not too long ago. Maybe civilizations are self-limiting.
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Re: The End
Massive particle accelerators have been running for YEARS on Long Island. Funny, what the heck are they talking/worried about. |
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Anybody home?
Who the heck is allowing these maniacs to proceed with this?
Jeesh..well..ya know. I think i'll just recreate the big bang this afternoon.
Has anyone kind of considered the ramifications that might have on something..Oh..like our universe perhaps?
I mean..wow. Let's sit in Cern and try to recreate inflation and see if space itself can push out from here.
This would make a nuclear weapons test seem like someone playing with a pea shooter!
W T F are these people thinking?
Mad Scientists are at work in Cern..for sure.
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Re: "The Grid" a long way away from general internet use
Porbably because we don't have the hardware to support these insane speeds yet (NICs, hard drives, HDD controllers, etc) |
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Re: Umm..hello?
(sarcasm on)
Why are you worried? All they are doing is crashing protons into each other, something that happens all the time in nature. From the article:
'It will be highest energy that man has ever created, but the key word is man, because in nature protons are smashing against each other all the time at much higher energies than those of the LHC,' Fairbairn explained. Every time mankind does something they say they fully understand, there can be no ramifications beyond what is anticipated.
(end sarcasm)
It reminds me of when I ripped a hole in my wall to do a simple plumbing repair and I found black mold. I certainly did not see THAT coming and boy did THAT have ramifications beyond what I anticipated!
However, in CERN's defense, if it were not for scientists making calculated risks, we would be without many of our technological advancements that we take for granted. So, I guess we should all just cross our fingers this summer and hope the earth does not implode on itself. Maybe, just maybe, we can find out something about the creation of matter (edit-add) and possibly create the next gen of internet access in the process. |
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The article was not specific enough to fill you in -- but I can give you a hint -- they are not re-creating 'the big bang', but rather the environment to re-create the various states of matter that existed very shortly after. I'm proud to say that I along with many of my co-workers were involved with the construction of a good portion of the magnets that are being utilized in the LHC (Large Hadron Collider), as they were manufactured about 45 miles south of you at Brookhaven -- where we have been successfully running the RHIC accelerator for about 8 years now, despite the similar uninformed claims that it would also cause a certain black hole and subsequent destruction of the earth after starting up.
Read a little and educate yourself before spouting off and making yourself appear ignorant. |
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Go for it! I need my origin tweaked a bit.
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Re: The End
The "Big Bang" is supposed to be on a much smaller scale. But the fear is even if small there is a small percent that it could suck in everything. The thing is we have never tried this before and there are no guarantee's.
Particle Accelerators do not come close to what is being done with the "Big Bang".
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| Kardashev scale
The scientist think we are making headway toward a type 1 civilization by performing these experiments. The problem is most advanced civilized nations tend to blow them selves up in the process.
Kardashev scale
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_···riticism
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Re: Umm..hello?
I'm not a big fan of CERN but suffice it to say I highly doubt mankind is capable of producing black holes and destroying earth and the solar system at the moment. But scientists have egos too you know. And I'm sure they'd like to to think they are capable.
they might blow up their lab, but the earth and solar system? Yeah, right. It seems there is no limit to the size of mankind's ego.  |
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". . . in which they plan to recreate The Big Bang."
Recreate the Big Bang? Give me a break
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Here is the Website of Walter L. Wagner the nut who is suing The Large Hadron Collider, and Fermilab. »www.lhcdefense.org/
It is too bad we could have done this sort of science a couple of decades ago. Remember the Super Conducting Super Collider they started to build in Texas it would have been much, much larger then even CERN's collider.
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| Could the article have been less technical
Maybe I just wanted more geek appeal or something, but I wanted to know SOMETHING...ANYTHING technical about this new grid network they're building. I spent a few minutes on their site and didn't see anything too technical. I think it's a bit inaccurately to describe the current internet as a "...hotchpotch of cables and routing equipment, much of which was originally designed for telephone calls and therefore lacks the capacity for high-speed data transmission." I'll go check my GSR 12810 to see where the phone plugs into it on Monday.
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