garmst
join:2000-09-17
New York, NY
 ·Speakeasy
| Improving US service but holding on Global Service?
Does this imply that the US infrastructure is better than the rest of the world? Oh my god, who would have though that reading the other articles on this site. I was starting to consider my PINGs as endangered species.
Just turned on my JOOST. Running nice and smooth........
Well, ok, I am running on Speakeasy....... |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·Comcast
1 edit |  Joost uses P2P and that may be why it is slowing rollout
The Joost application uses P2P to work and given the current environment of throttling P2P, it isn't surprising it isn't expanding rapidly.
»www.joost.com/support/faq/Using-···tion-use
Here is a link to a 38 min WMA video of the network architect of Joost explaining the way Joost works.
»www.scaryideas.com/video/2362/
Or you can look at a Adobe Acrobat PDF presentation.
»www.uknof.org.uk/uknof7/MacCarth···oost.pdf
A discussion of Joost's weaknesses:
»newteevee.com/2007/05/10/joost-h···llenges/
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zhenya
join:2007-04-30
Ithaca, NY
 ·VoicePulse
| Joost doesn't have a bandwidth problem...
The real problem I have with Joost has nothing to do with bandwidth - in fact it is quite lite in comparison to, say ABC HD or Netflix. The problem is their content. I've been a user since their private beta days, and the quality of the content, IMO, has not appreciably improved. There are plenty of options for watching video on-line these days, I don't need to waste my time weeding through hundreds of B-shows and short clips. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | Translation....
They are waiting until ISPs build bigger networks for them. |
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DivineDark
join:2001-08-30
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | oops
Saw this and thought Josta soda was making a comeback. |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
·Cox VOIP
·Skype
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Joost uses P2P and that may be why it is slowing rollout
If Joost has DRM, it ain't going anywhere. If WMV, it would screw up licenses on my system anyway. M$ needs to fix that license crap.
And, why name it "Joost"? Sounds like a Jose Canseco book.
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IPingUPing
N4BFR
Premium
join:2002-08-30
Smyrna, GA
clubs:
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Re: Translation....
said by battleop  :They are waiting until ISPs build bigger networks for them. A problem that could easily be solved by actually buying bandwidth. Heaven forbid doing something like that, might screw up their business model. |
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peerimpact
join:2005-11-07
Londonderry, VT | Joost hasnt annonced nothing
This is pure hearsay and speculation by the Times "reporter"
»www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-jo···s-focus/ |
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs: | Joost is bloated
Hulu FTW! |
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BobbytheBrain
@sbcglobal.net
| Don't Care What the Speeds are. Interface is Garbage
Maybe nobody uses it because the interface was designed by idiots. Does the stupid player always have to load a stream when you just launch the program? I can go on, but the fact is that Joost makes it difficult for anybody to have a good experience using that silly client. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to Subaru
Re: Joost is bloated
said by Subaru :Hulu FTW! VeohTV(it pulls hulu as well as a bunch of other stuff)... 
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to IPingUPing
Re: Translation....
said by IPingUPing :A problem that could easily be solved by actually buying bandwidth. Heaven forbid doing something like that, might screw up their business model. Last mile network expansion is a heck of a lot more involved than simply buying bandwidth. (ie, DOCSIS plant upgrades and complete CPE replacement to go to DOCSIS 3.0, DSLAM and modem replacement to go to ADSL2+) If it were simply a matter of paying and cranking a dial it would already be done. |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| Comcast degrades P2P: Joost fails
Make sense?
This is an argument for net neutrality. Joost is an innovative application to deliver video, using P2P. But, carriers are beginning to degrade P2P. The upside: their video competitor sucks, and folks stay with the incumbent solution.
-Dane |
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peerimpact
join:2005-11-07
Londonderry, VT
| Joost CEO denies false reports (like this story)
Seems that people are making up thier own stories about Joost now
»gigaom.com/2008/04/06/joost-ceo-···utbacks/ |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | They're in for a long wait
... I suspect they will be waiting a long, LONG time.... |
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IPingUPing
N4BFR
Premium
join:2002-08-30
Smyrna, GA
clubs:
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Re: Translation....
I'm very clear on the last mile network costs. I was not clear on who is think is delinquent in purchasing bandwidth. I think Joost should buy or build their own CDN if they want to be in the content business. It's not the providers problem to build out bandwidth for them. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
1 edit | Meh
As a delivery platform, it seems to work pretty well. However, as a television service, the content just isn't there. There's pretty much zilch. This might not be true in the US (being in Canada), but until I can watch actual television channels or content, I'm really not very interested.
When I tried it, there was only one channel with actual content, showing older anime series. That's fun, but... that's just ONE decent channel for the entire service in Canada.
EDIT: Also, the tech might rock, but their interface is horrible. Slow, confusing, and no option to get something akin to a standard windows application interface. |
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zachary1
you talkin' to me?
join:2004-03-07
right here | reply to garmst
Re: Improving US service but holding on Global Service?
forget Joost. Try TVU networks, or better yet, Sopcast. |
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Dampier
Phillip M Dampier
join:2003-03-23
Rochester, NY
| reply to BobbytheBrain
Re: Don't Care What the Speeds are. Interface is Garbage
said by BobbytheBrain :
Maybe nobody uses it because the interface was designed by idiots. Bingo! The fact Joost -IS- an application in the first place is one of their biggest faults. It looks four years old at a time when everyone else is moving to embedded web video which requires little on the part of the viewer to get the content. Joost requires a horrendously resource hungry application to be downloaded and installed before you even get started, and that's a major downside for a lot of folks who simply are not going to bother.
And when you do get it installed, the CPU and memory load of this thing is astonishing. I can barely get it running on my two year old laptop because it is so resource hungry (and demands a contemporary videocard with enough memory on board for a reasonable experience) it essentially slows the computer to a crawl.
The client's look and feel is completely non-intuitive, looks old-school, and the content menu is done with oversized square boxes with show logos that you need to wade through to locate a show you're interested in.
The entire delivery system is, as others have noted, BitTorrent based, so it will also suck your Internet connection (never, ever leave the thing running in the system tray - you simply stay connected to help deliver their content to others, eating your bandwidth).
And, most annoying of all, no effort is really made to inject advertising in an appropriate manner. In many cases, it's the same 15 or 30 second spot run at every ad break (usually at a volume many times louder than the content you are watching, blowing you out of the room).
The claims that broadband bandwidth is the problem for Joost is a joke. The real problem for investors in this mess is that their deployment using a software based application is behind the times, not well coded, and in light of launches like Hulu and other web-based video applications, threatens their viability.
Add to that the concept of metered broadband traffic, where an application like Joost could blow through your monthly allotment delivering content to other people 24/7 if you leave the thing running in the system tray, and Joost becomes as relevant as other yesterday technology like Limewire.
Time for them to rethink things from the ground up. |
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