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Re: I'd like to propose a solution said by yock:To those of you who say you don't mind a metal box
My money is on the fact that they don't mind when it is only a matter of "saying so" on a forum. Should a metal box appear next week in THEIR front yard, I'de bet they would be here, with pics, bitchin' about it.
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Re: Utility easement You are wrong. If there is a utility easement that is specified as generic then any utility can use it. More than likely it's specified as an easement for ATT. They can put anything in the easement they want as they essentially own the ground.
Now according to the article they built 2' outside the easement, that's a different story all together. |
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Miamisburg, OH
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Re: I'd like to propose a solution said by DiscardedVet:said by yock:To those of you who say you don't mind a metal box My money is on the fact that they don't mind when it is only a matter of "saying so" on a forum. Should a metal box appear next week in THEIR front yard, I'de bet they would be here, with pics, bitchin' about it. Or they don't mind it being in their parents yard. I think I get your drift. =) |
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 jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to Tzale
Re: who cares what they look like So geek on over to a real estate law site and read up on utility easements. These companies aren't breaking the law; homeowners are generally idiots and don't realize what is and is not allowed according to zoning, easement, and other local regulations.
The homeowners in question should have armed themselves with knowledge of what easements existed on their property when they purchased it. |
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 Matt3All noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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Re: Utility easement said by tim_k:said by burgermeister:said by Bobcat79:What part of "utility easement" don't these folks understand? They should have looked at the deed before they bought the property. That doesn't give them the right to put any old piece of crap on the easement. There has to be some limit. If they can put a nice large telephone pole on my property, they can put a box on yours. For the short time I was a service tech I had to fight my way through the bushes people planted to hide our boxes. I'm sure many of these boxes can be like wise hidden. Not with that huge concrete wall around it.
My local ILEC hid all their BPON fiber equipment in a fenced in enclosure. It's a very nice, wooden enclosure, open to the street, but in between two subdivisions. It was thought out pretty well and looks good.
My guess is AT&T doesn't care about the aesthetics and just places it where they have an easement that is close enough to the optimal point. |
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 MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
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Smithfield, NC | reply to nevtxjustin
Re: One word... We demand a ... SHRUBBERY! (cue dramatic music)
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Re: I want 100/100 100/100 would cost much more per year than the reduction in your property value if the box weren't there. If I were searching for a home, and someone told me the box in front of the house was for FiOS, I would be more inclined to buy that house because it has FiOS available. |
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Re: One word... Actually, the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch would take care of that at&t box nicely!
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| Do your homework  In years past most utilities were installed in the back yard between lots on telephone poles. This was particularly popular where homes were built back to back. That allowed one cable run to serve twice as many proprieties as placing utilities in the front of homes. Eventually the Federal Government required that all utilities be buried. That resulted in a problem when the property owner dug up their back yard for any reason and cut cables. In recent years many developers have chosen to place all utilities at the front of the property. The advantage is that the service personnel do not have to go into the back yard of the home to connect or disconnect service. These problems can be resolved if one does their homework.
1) Check with the building department that serves your area to determine what size an object, installed in the utility easement must be, to be considered a structure. Structures fall under different regulations than cable terminals boxes and telephone poles. In some jurisdictions the location of equipment larger than a specified size must be review and approved before it can be installed.
2) Check the survey of your property to see if the equipment is installed within the utility easement. If it is installed extending beyond the easement the property owner can force the service provider to remove it or move it. This is particularly important when the footprint of the cabinet is larger than the utility easement.
3) If this is new route for a new service, find out if the utility easement is still in force on your property. In some cases a former property owner has obtain a release of easement from all utilities currently providing service in the area. If the release is recorded on the deed the utility easement is no longer in force and can no longer be used by utilities without permission or compensation of the homeowner. In the mid 80's a Cable Television Company attempting to compete against the incumbent CATV Company, had to abandon their efforts when they found that the routing of many of their cables passed through properties where the easements had already been abandoned. The company found that there was no way to determine if easements had been abandoned without reviewing the deed of every property along the route. The fiasco resulted in many lawsuits against the competitive cable company for damage to homeowners properties by contractors installing the new cable system.
4) Contact your local governmental representatives and ask them to pass regulations regarding the size of equipment installed in utility easements. A representative from a homeowners association can more easily obtain cooperation from the local government since the represent a large voting block. Remind the officials that if property values go down so does the property tax than can be levied on the property. |
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Re: Somebody, punch her! said by Tzale:said by GemSnake:What a selfish bitch! 400 people will benefit from it and she's raising hell. Burn her at the steak!!! Sounds to me like AT&T just decided a box must go there... Sharp as a marble, you are. I couldn't care less about what you say, the bitch is selfish. GTFO of my thread, you unpatriotic treehugger!
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Re: Do your homework Most of what you said is valid, except the federal government did not require that all utilities be buried. I can see at least one location from my house that has aerial power, catv, and telephone. However, all utilities are buried on the rear easement of my property.
Also, it depends on how the easement is written and negotiated, I have seen 12 x 24 buildings placed on a easement. |
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ncbillPremium
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Winston Salem, NC | Not the preferred implementation Another reason why FTTH is better.
No honkin' big boxes and ugly concrete retaining wall in some poor soul's front yard.
Big boxes on your *house*, sure, but only IF you choose the service. |
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Re: Utility easement said by Tzale:Your wrong. It was 2 feet over the property line!!! And they fixed that. It not the first time a utility made a mistake, and it won't be the last time. |
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said by Tzale:No broadband is worth a $10-30k loss in property values... The owner should have thought of that before buying the property. |
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Re: I want 100/100 I find it hard to believe that property values are dropping thousands of dollars because of the boxes. If you don't want the boxes in your yard then don't move where the utilities have Right of Way access.
Sounds like a case of the rich want to B**h. They should be glad that they have services. If I were AT&T I would yank DSL and other new services and give them dialup. |
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Re: Utility easement " But it's the age of entitlement. People really believe strongly that they are entitled to what they FEEL they are entitled to."
So when homeowners are upset by the state coercing them into allowing private entities access to their property you believe that this is indicative of their sense of entitlement?
I have two questions.
1. If a large property owner, such as a large corporate entity, bitches about the state placing conditions on the ownership of their property do you likewise condemn them for their feelings of "entitlement" or do you applaud them for defending what you believe is their inviolable right to do whatever they want to with their property?
To put it another way why is it freedom when powerful property interests protect their turf but it is whining when small property holders try to protect theirs?
2. Since these companies seem to believe they are not utilities and shouldn't be treated as utilities(for example, they believe they should be deregulated and should have no universal build out requirements imposed upon them), why should they be granted use of easements anyway? They were granted these easements in an age where they were viewed and treated as utilities. If they are no longer utilities maybe their legal status with respect to use of easements should change as well. |
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 fiber_manThings Happen For A ReasonPremium
join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL | reply to Tzale
Re: who cares what they look like I hope for your sake your property has no utility easements on it. Most around here have at least one on it if not more. I found out that my property has a 20 foot easement off the back property line for maintenance of a drainage ditch. The city has a 25' ROW on the front which is where the poles are placed. I have no say what so ever about the ROW. If you want services from power,gas,water,telephone, and cable then they have to have permission from you or the developer for easements on your property. I have seen so many people buy houses in a new development without driving to see the lot and/or look at the site plans. Then they bitch and moan about a power transformer and/or a telephone or cable box that is placed in the yard. When the developers force all the utilities in a 10' easement there is not much the utilities can do.
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Re: I want 100/100 I would think that in any neighborhood the utilities should be hiding the equipment in the backyards. You shouldn't be dropping large equipment in people's front yards. In my neighborhood everything is in the back of people's yards. No one complains. The telcos are stupid in this case. Even if they didn't have easement access in the back, there is no point in not asking a homeowner to give them an easement to prevent having a huge box in their front yard. Most would easily agree to the deal. |
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Re: Utility easement Incorrect. Every house in a subdivision with front easements has a front easement. No way to avoid it without black listing entire neighborhoods. And they are only going to target a hand full of houses, so the risks are low. In the end they shouldn't be playing Russian roulette with people's houses. And just put this crap in the back. |
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