Rick
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Waterbury, CT
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| Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
They were rolling out their fiber network in the Columbus ohio area in 1997 I believe.
While I give verizon kudos for their big investment..it is one out of sheer necessity and was about 10 years late to the fiber party IMHO.
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TKJunkMail
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|  Marketing Dept types are mostly sleazeballs
In a corporation the marketing departments are usually the ones with the least tenuous hold on the truth. The old saw "buyer beware" applies as always to ANYONE buying anything. Lies are their stock in trade.
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datwell1
join:2002-01-08
Falls Church, VA
| FIOS is a super service
Here in Fairfax County, VA the choices are Cox Cable, satellite or Verizon's FIOS. My daughter's family have moved from Cox to FIOS and couldn't be happier. Verizon's internet service and TV picture quality are simply the best (the Motorola STBs could be better however). I have FIOS internet but kept Dish Network because of their superior DVRs. Overall, Verizon has "built the better mousetrap" IMHO.
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
Ohh come on! Give me a break.
They may have fiber in their network, but it does not go to the house and it does nothing like FIOS.
You love stretching the truth, huh?
and let me guess, you work in the bullshit errrrr... i mean marketing department i bet.
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probboy
join:2008-01-10
Natick, MA | For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
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Re: Marketing Dept types are mostly sleazeballs
said by TKJunkMail  :In a corporation the marketing departments are usually the ones with the least tenuous hold on the truth. The old saw "buyer beware" applies as always to ANYONE buying anything. Lies are their stock in trade. That really is more for politicians. Marketers don't lie they just make it prettier than it really is. Politicians just lie about everything including the hookers they paid.
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hopeflicker
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Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. \
then why would TW go to the extent to claim they have fiber if only 99.999999% of users dont care?
I see what you are saying, but it's nothing but bullshit when TW is trying to compare themselves to FIOS.
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH
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| reply to hopeflicker
network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. |
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Realtech23
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join:2006-03-27
Olean, NY
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1 edit | For the Customer it's all about Implementation!!!
In this area of Olean, NY Time Warner runs faster and IS more stable than Verizon's DSL. Yes I know they are talking about Fios but Verizon said since last June they were putting Fios in no later than June 07 and still nothing. They just keep pushing it back. Yeah I'll wire an entire city with Fios but what does it matter if I call Verizon and say "hey i want your service now" and they say "oh sorry but we still can not install it in your home yet". Call Time Warner and ask them to install Cable in your house and you have it. No excuses or waiting or FALSE statements of When you can get it like Fios does. Time Warner realizes the money to be made in this area where verizon just cares about Major Cities.
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CEDog
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| Where is the ad copy with false claims?
That spot is pretty funny, but it doesn't make any false claims. I looked on youtube for others that might, but didn't see any. The article says "this and other ads" so does anyone know where to find the other spots or ad copy that Verizon is taking issue with? |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
| reply to probboy
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
said by probboy :For 99.999% of the population, it doesn't really matter where the fiber terminates, be it at the house or at the node. All people care about what services are offered at what price. What a loaded statement. Of course they don't care about the logistics, but what those logistics translate to are exactly what people care about. The further away from the home the fiber terminates, the more crowded the copper network and the harder it is to reliably provide feature-rich services. |
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Corydon
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| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Marketing Dept types are mostly sleazeballs
said by TKJunkMail :In a corporation the marketing departments are usually the ones with the least tenuous hold on the truth. The old saw "buyer beware" applies as always to ANYONE buying anything. Lies are their stock in trade. Truer words were never spoken...er, written (typed?)
I haven't watched the TW ad lately, but IIRC they just talk about having a fiber network of their own. Nothing about FTTH.
Besides, if we really want to split hairs, Verizon has a HFC network too, since everything from the ONT to the various devices in the home is copper.
Someone mentioned that it's all about the services you can deliver to the consumer at the price you can deliver it, not the way you do it. If the cable companies can squeeze enough out of their HFC network to compete with Verizon, they'll do fine.
Hopefully a combination of DOCSIS 3 and IPTV will do just that since the chances of Qwest rolling out a FTTH solution here seem to be just marginally better than your chances of finding an honest and knowledgeable marketing flak. |
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kyler13
Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
said by hottboiinnc :network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. About 10 years ago, having a all-fiber nationwide backbone was a big deal (think @Home) but it's 2008 and everyone rides fiber backbones, just not necessarily owned by their provider. The mis-information here is how accessible is that fiber. The average college kid would love a bargain on a keg of beer, but how do you think he/she would feel if you told them they had to drink it through a stirrer straw? |
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Karl Bode
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Re: Where is the ad copy with false claims?
I spoke with Verizon recently, and they alerted me to the fact that the FULL ad (which I hadn't seen run in its entirety) does suggest that you need a satellite dish to get FiOSTV.
The full ad:
»www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLib···VERS.swf
So both sides are being dishonest here.
Time Warner Cable's network is not better than FiOS, and they're intentionally being misleading about fiber in terms of core vs. last mile connectivity. They're also bluntly lying to consumers about needing a satellite dish.
They are technically right about Verizon being slow on delivering fiber (particularly if you're familiar with their promises to PA and elsewhere in the 90's and while named NYNEX, Bell Atlantic, etc.).
But on the flip side, CNET never said FiOS service was "near-flawless," they said it needed to be near flawless in order to compete.
So misrepresentation and lies all around! Another day in American marketing. |
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Morac
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
·Comcast
| Ads are way off
While I can't say Verizon's ads are 100% truthful, I know the cable company ads are way off. There's one that Comcast is running now, which annoys the hell out of me. It shows a one "glowing" guy (a play off of FIOS's ad) running up to his neighbor touting how he's getting FIOS installed so he can get a fiber connection. The neighbor claims he gets the best TV, Internet and phone service from Comcast via a "fiber network". The first guy then tells Verizon to "stop digging".
This is ridiculous. While Comcast technically has more miles of fiber cable than Verizon, it's because Comcast is offered in a lot more places than FIOS, not because Comcast has a better network. FIOS's fiber runs to the home and beats Comcast with respect to performance and quality for the same price or cheaper than Comcast.
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hopeflicker
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
said by hottboiinnc :network doesnt have to have fiber to their door. The ad states that TWC has more fiber- does not state anything about going to the door. They're entire nationwide backbone all the way up to the neighborhoods are fiber optic. which is truth in advertising. VZ didnt start this until a few years ago- and then did it wall the way. But the reason for TW to advertise their "fiber" network is to try to compare to FIOS.
Yes, they may have fiber in their system, but then again you can not compare TWs fiber to FIOS.
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jerryjam
@cox.net | reply to Morac
Re: Ads are way off
Cable = shared network on coax |
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elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD
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2 edits | reply to Rick
Re: Time Warners claim is 100% accurate.....
Verizon (Actually it's predecesors Bell Atlantic and Nynex) have been deploying fiber since the early 80s. Verizon has more fiber deployed, even minus the fios fiber, then Time Warner probably will ever have. Verizon's core network/inter office facilities have been running in excess of 10 gig for over a decade with legs now running in excess of 320 gig.
Once it hits the CO/pop/RT every phone call made runs on fiber, every T1 runs on fiber, every DS3 runs on fiber, every gig-e, every fractional......
Time Warner cannot even come close to the bandwidth capabilities Verizon has and has had for many years. The Bells were the pioneers in the deployment of fiber.
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I did not have time to look it up earlier, but here is some perspective.
Time Warner-- 24,000 miles of fiber in their network.
»www.twtelecom.com/about_us/networks.html
Comcast-- 90,000 miles of fiber in their network.
»www.comcastcommercial.com/index.···temid=33
Verizon-- 250,000 miles of fiber in West Virginia alone!
»www22.verizon.com/about/community/wv/
To make statements that the telcos were 10 years too late to the party is an uninformed opinion. The rbocs were the first to deploy fiber and did in a big way, but not with consumer data in mind. Rboc fiber was deployed toward a different end. They were selling dial tone and business data and built a network to carry that second to none. Consumer data connections were not a market until the 90's. The cable companies were not investing and building with an "eye" toward the future-- they just got lucky that their network was more rapidly and economically adaptable to consumer data needs than the telco networks were.
Cable has spent pennies on their networks to deliver data and it will catch up with them in time. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to probboy
I would disagree with that. While they do not care how it gets to them, they do care how often there is a problem. In all the years I have had cable internet (beta tester for it years ago) through all the companies (some went bankrupt or bought out and I move a lot) the vast majority of failures were between me and the headend. Usually a noisy line due to hardware failure between me and the headend. FTTH should eliminate the vast majority of those issues. It is very likely that moving to Docsis 3.0 will probably exacerbate these issues further (based on the history that every time speed increases the specs tighten for "good signal"). From that perspective I think upgrading to Docsis 3.0 is probably throwing good money after bad. |
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