SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| Same Old Shit
while NebuAD's opt-out system prevents you from getting targeted ads, it doesn't prevent you from having your data collected and sold (the same obviously being true for ad blocking technology).
Sounds identical to the status quo for everything else consumers can opt out of. Opt out is corporate doublespeak for Screw you we're going to sell your data anyway. |
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shoe1
join:2007-09-28
Colfax, CA
| Just wrong.
This should be as illegal as wiring tapping, in the US (idk if the article is talking about American ISsP, I don't recognize any listed ISPs). What you do on the internet should be extremely private! Just like your phone calls, even this right is beginning to be thrown out the window in the United states. Just because it's a newer technology with monitoring capabilities does NOT mean your privacy is voided. NO ONE SHOULD EVER MONITOR WHAT YOU DO ON THE INTERNET! The U.S. constitution is there for a reason. If you are to be caught doing something illegal it should proven through a real world encounter, not what some box caching 1s and 0s. |
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ndwbr
join:2003-07-10
Atlanta, GA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| Ads? what ads?
Don't these people realize? Let me say it again for you: I never click on ads, I never read ads, I never even see ads. I couldn't give a rat's a-- how tailored your ads are to my interests. I run the Mozilla Firefox browser with Adblock and Filterset G Updater add-ons. The only ads I see are on the PC's of people I support who are still using IE, and I'm switching them over one by one. |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
·Digizip
| ISPs Won't Talk To Press About Selling User Browsing Data?
Hell, ISPs won't even talk to their customers about this stuff. I wrote to one of the principals of Digizip, which is my ISP, to inquire if Digizip, or Covad, to his knowledge, had a relationship with Phorm, and/or any other behavioral advertising firm. I asked if my clickstream data was collected and sold, or if my browsing habits were logged and sold, or if they re-sold any information about me at all. I never got a reply... |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| reply to ndwbr
Re: Ads? what ads?
said by ndwbr  :Don't these people realize? Let me say it again for you: I never click on ads, I never read ads, I never even see ads. I couldn't give a rat's a-- how tailored your ads are to my interests. I run the Mozilla Firefox browser with Adblock and Filterset G Updater add-ons. The only ads I see are on the PC's of people I support who are still using IE, and I'm switching them over one by one. And so do I but that still doesn't make it OK for ISPs to sell clickstream data. |
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amigo_boy
join:2005-07-22
Tempe, AZ
 ·Cox HSI
 ·magicjack.com
| reply to shoe1
Re: Just wrong.
said by shoe1 :What you do on the internet should be extremely private! Just like your phone calls, It's probably a matter of expectations. If I had a party line (telephone) I wouldn't expect "extreme privacy." The internet seems a lot like a party line when I can sniff packets and gain information from people who *freely choose not to use encryption*.
This seems tantamount to using a party line (because it was cheaper) and then complaining that my neighbors are telling my business to others.
Mark |
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gatorkram
Spelling and Grammer impared
Premium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
clubs:
·Embarq
 ·linode
| reply to shoe1
I agree, it should be illegal for them to do this. It should be illegal for them to do anything with our packets, but pass them along to the next router that does the same.
And you can't really opt out, because the moment they start to do it, you are trapped in the system. You might be able to opt out after the fact, but data has already changed hands.
You should need a court order to do this kind of invasion of privacy.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to ndwbr
Re: Ads? what ads?
said by ndwbr : The only ads I see are on the PC's of people I support who are still using IE, and I'm switching them over one by one. Look into IE7Pro addon for IE. It has an ad blocking element very similar to adblock plus in FF.
»www.ie7pro.com/
I turn off all the features except for the ad blocker. Works very well.
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hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA | good for price competition
ISPs could increase their revenue by selling click data. Then other ISPs could market the fact that they do not sell click data and raise their rates.
Anybody here use google and wonder why they provide a free service? |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
1 edit | said by hoyleysox :ISPs could increase their revenue by selling click data. Then other ISPs could market the fact that they do not sell click data and raise their rates... there is not enough competition for this to work. If everyone had a choice of 4 or 5 ISPs, no problem, one of them is bound to forgo doing this for a competitive edge.
Unfortunately, most people only have a choice of two providers and a lot only have a choice of one provider. In those markets the decision is broadband with snooping or dialup, not broadband with snooping or broadband without it.
forgot to ask: you think price competition is charging more because an ISP DOESN'T do something obnoxious? |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Make the data useless...
Use a not-yet-written plug-in that clicks everywhere. Constant stream of randomized root URLs with deeper clicks and random pauses to make it difficult to determine length of visit (or possible interest).
The new social networking site: SharedURLs.com (MyURLs.com is already registered).
So, NebuAd discounts the browsing activity because it showed up on SharedURLs.com
A posting there becomes akin to a malicious attack designed to wreak havoc to the companies bottom line, at least until 90% of the internet's URLs become listed.
Then finally NebuAd folds as being irrelevant.
Meanwhile, ISPs have had to redefine caps and throttles in order to cope with the growing random internet use.
Making a certain number of people say "Screw it. This interweb thing is useless, cancel my service."
Freeing up some bandwidth for those who really don't care if the feds are tracking anyway because "I don't have to worry because I haven't done anything wrong."
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My point is, it'll always be cat and mouse.
Or to put it another way: It's just a very dynamic thing that will implode when enough people get tired of it. Because the tools will become available to defeat this nonsense. |
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hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA
·Cox HSI
·Time Warner Cable
| reply to nasadude
Re: good for price competition
Nasadude brings up a fair point: if there is limited competition a user might not have an ISP available that will not share click data.
Let me spin that: I argue that the extra revenue gained by sharing click data could _increase_ competition in neglected areas.
Companies will not provide service in an area if they don't think they can make any money. Add an additional revenue stream and bingo - it becomes easier to recoup costs. The area then becomes more attractive to do business.
If other companies provide lower cost service subsidized by click data revenue, another company may charge slightly more and not sell the click data, but charge more.
It is my understanding that the profit margins for 'mom&pop' wholesale ISPs are razor thin... |
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DiscardedVet
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Sturgis, SD
1 edit | reply to SilverSurfer
Re: Ads? what ads?
said by ndwbr :I never click on ads You, myself, and people the sort that are DSLR members may not click on ads, but obviously there are thousands and millions of people that do, or there would not be a market for internet advertising outside of one's own domain (ie, I look at TigerDirects ads when I visis there).
Same thing goes with Email spam, obviously, many people are clicking those ads, perpetuating the problem of spam.
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA | Welcome to the Internet
I have a cookie for you |
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BLUNTED 1
join:2003-11-13
Floral Park, NY | This should just be stopped and thats it |
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hurfy
Premium
join:2002-08-06
Spokane, WA
| so i guess...
on odd numbered days i leave my browser sit on the democratic website and even days i am a republican. Gay on saturday and straight on sunday, etc ad nauseum....
Maybe i should turn around and click every third link on the 3rd computer. I wonder what it thinks when i leave it sit on a book info site all night til i finish my lookups tomorrow 
I wonder if they correlate my 5 IP addresses or if i have one democratic computer and one republican computer.
lol might be fun to see what you get
but who's ads would we be looking for? like doubleclick or something?
Fortunately i don't think my ISP does any tracking, probably not enough of a user base (and almost all corporate at that) for the ad guys to bother with. Maybe i should call and ask for fun, they are very forthcoming but i hate to bother THE tech guy. |
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CommonSense2008
@bell.ca |  ENCRYPT! ENCRYPT! ENCRYPT!
There is no reason that we cannot encrypt 100% of the text that travels over the internet today using SSL/TLS.
With all of this DPI crap webhosts really need to get off their ass and start offering this option more often! |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to hurfy
Re: so i guess...
Back in the early days of Amazon.com we were buying a lot of different things for different family members--old and young, male and female, with drastically diverse interests--for Christmas. Their tracking and "recommendation" system was keeping up for awhile, but finally barfed.
It's eventual output: "Customers who bought the items in your shopping cart also bought: Underwear".
We broke it.
Could be fun to try this technique with the Nebuads of the world. |
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telcolackey
The Truth? You can't handle the truth
join:2007-04-06
Death Valley, CA
| Other examples
I'm not trying to say this is good or bad, but many companies look at behavior traits, uses them and profits from the information. Even the local favorites like Tivo, Amazon, Google, etc.
On this issue (as with many others), share the wealth of the blame game.
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"Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear." - Dinah Craik |
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chucky5150
Divers do it Deeper
join:2001-11-03
New Iberia, LA
clubs: | reply to CommonSense2008
Re: ENCRYPT! ENCRYPT! ENCRYPT!
Only thing is....
what's in it for them?
I'm thinking it'll cost a lot to SSL/TLS everything. |
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